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Just a little info

This is not a "for sure indicator"

I'm sorry

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My wonderful 7 year old Rottweiler, Susie, also developed blood trickling
from her nose.  The vet gave her meds or antibotics, not certain if it was
antibiotics or not,  and it would stop, and as soon as I ran out of the
medicine,  it would start again.  I spent around $2000 in tests alone to
find out what was wrong with her, which they never found. At the point where
they were going to test her for cancer, she died in my arms at home.  I have
never gotten over losing her.  I now have another Rottweiler, which I
adopted three years ago, and a new vet.  The vet might have done all she
could to save Susie, but I could not bring myself to go back to her again; I
guess I am still a little bitter that with all the testing, she could not
find out what the problem was.  I have always felt that she died from
cancer.  If you ever do find out what is wrong with your dog, please post it
to this group.  I hope your dog's condition is not life threatening.  There
are other conditions which can cause bleeding from the nose. At the time, I
remember googling "dog bleeding from the nose" and found a couple of
conditions that can cause it, but my dog did not have those problems or
conditions, because she was tested for them all.  She went down hill fast
after the bleeding started.  I really miss her.

I have

I'd have the dog tested for Ehrlichia to start:
http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dblood.html#Nosebleeds

........particularly since antibiotics seem to help.  Doxycycline is the
drug of choice for Ehrlichia.  If the test is positive here's some reading:
http://www.minden.com/nowhereelse/canine_tick_disease.htm

Other possibilities are fungal diseases and cancer, but I find it peculiar
it responds to antibiotics........so as dire as Ehrlichia can be, it's a
better option than nasal cancer.  I suppose it could be a foreign body
also - like a grass awn.

If the tick test is negative, I'd discuss the next step with the
vet ------maybe an X-ray, don't know.  They also need to check the teeth and
make sure there's no infection in the upper jaw that might have migrated to
the sinus cavities.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

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Could be he's got nasal aspergillosis. Nose bleeds
occur intermittently and the edges of the nostrils. It
can be difficult to diagnose and treat and like your
dog's Cushing's DIS-EASE, is a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

Yup; that's often the KINDEST GIFT a dog lover
can give their dog. PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE
COME so many dog lover's dogs are DYIN from
STRESS INDCUED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES?

I made a little EXXXTRA EFFORT to provide you
with ADDITIONAL INFORMATION your veterinary
malpracticioner AIN"T GONNA TELL YOU abHOWET
your dog's STRESS INDUCED Cushing's DIS-EASE.

          Cushings Disease

Hi Jerry,
My dog was recently diagnosed with Cushings, the
adrenal type, and we're now in the second month of
giving the medicine, Lysodren, at a certain dosage to
find if its the correct one to stablize her.

Last month, she was given an ACTH blood test to see
if the dosage we had her on was working, and it wasn't,
in fact the doctor said it looked like she hadn't been on
any med at all for the previous month.

She's due to have her next ACTH in two weeks.

I can believe that this condition is brought on by stress.
If you recall, my dog is 12ish, and adopted her two yrs
ago. Before I got her, I believe she was very neglected,
its just a feeling I have and how her personality is now.
So I'm sure there was a lot of stress.

But since I've had her, I immediately recognized her
sensitivity, and she's treated with nothing but gentleness,
LOTS of gentleness, lots of love, affection, no loud voices,
NEVER yelling. If she has an occasional accident in the
house, I give her affection and aplogize to her for not
recognizing that she needed to go out sooner. I think you
have the picture.

There is one thing that she does get stressed about, and
that's taking her out for the last walk before we go to bed.
It tends to be very late, and she's frightened to go out at
that time. She seems to know how late it is because traffic,
street, neighborhood noises become quieter as it gets later.

We ran into a coyote once on our last walk before bedtime,
and I immediately picked her up and rushed her into the
house. I was very frightened, and it's from this time, that
she's been afraid to go out at night. So we go thru this every
night trying to coax her down the street to a spot she'll like
to go in (her chosen spots vary from day to day).

She also continues to have the allergic very itchy
ears that continue to frustrate her a lot, but not always.

I don't know if the stress from late night walks or the
deep down itchy ear problem is what may have kicked
her over from what was a borderline condition when I
first got her into the current diagnosis. I'd like to know
your opinion, and if you recommend your book, tell me
which specific section would address this.

It seems like we've discussed this in
the past, and if so, sorry.

Robin

HOWEDY Robin,

Nice to hear from you today.

Yes, I noticed in your last post which I didn't
reply to as I'd just responded to a Cushings post.

The adrenals get STRESSED EVERY time the dog
is told "NO" or otherWIZE scolded punished crated
intimidated or offered and withheld of bribes rewards
attention or affection or surgically sexually mutilated
as taught by HOWER EXXXPERT dog trainers and
behaviorists.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/lyso...treatment.html

HOW THIS MEDICATION WORKS

Lysodren should be considered to be a drug of
chemotherapy. It actually erodes the layers of
the adrenal gland that produce corticosteroid
hormones.

The pituitary tumor continues to secrete excess
stimulation but the adrenal gland is no longer
capable of excess hormone production in response.
Problems result when too much of the adrenal
cortex is eroded.

Short term lysodren reactions are common (something like
30% of dogs will have one at some point), necessitating
the use of a prednisone "antidote" pill which the veterinarian
supplies. In event of such short term reactions, lysodren
is discontinued until the adrenal gland can re-grow and
therapy is resumed, possibly at a lower dose. Sometimes
excess adrenal erosion is permanent and the dog must be
treated for cortisone deficiency.

This is more serious and the potential for this kind of
reaction has been the driving force behind the search
for better medications for the treatment of pituitary
dependent Cushing's disease.

HOW THIS MEDICATION IS USED

There are two phases to the treatment of Cushing's disease
with Lysodren: an induction phase to gain control of the
disease and a lower dose maintenance phase which ideally
lasts for the animal's entire life.

INDUCTION

During induction, the pet owner receives a prescription for
lysodren (usually obtained through a local human pharmacy)
plus a bottle of prednisone tablets to be used as "antidotes"
should any lysodren reactions erupt. Be sure you understand
which pill is which. Lysodren is given twice a day with meals
during this period so that the plump, excessively stimulated
adrenal gland can be rapidly shaved down to the desired size.

It is very important that lysodren be given with food or it
will not be absorbed into your dog's body. A test called an
ACTH stimulation test (the same test which may have
been used to diagnose Cushing's disease originally) is
used to confirm that the induction endpoint has been
reached.

An ACTH stimulation test is generally scheduled for
the 8th or 9th day of induction however, it is important
that you recognize the signs of endpoint should they
occur sooner.

You should call your veterinarian if any of the
following signs of induction endpoint are observed:

o Diarrhea or vomiting

o Appetite loss (this may be as subtle as less enthusiasm
towards eating when the food is served, not running for the
bowl etc.)

o Decrease in water consumption (it may be helpful
for you to measure water consumption during the
induction period)

o Lethargy or listlessness

If any of these signs occur, let your veterinarian know.
It may be time for an early ACTH Stimulation test or
possibly even for an antidote pill. It is a good idea to
maintain daily telephone contact with your vet after
the third day or so of induction as it is at this point
that a dog becomes at risk for reaching an early
induction endpoint.

If none of the above signs are noted, then the ACTH
Stimulation test proceeds as scheduled on the 8th or
9th day of induction. If this test indicates that sufficient
adrenal erosion has taken place, then the lysodren dose
is given once or twice a week instead of twice a day and
the dog has successfully entered maintenance.

If the test indicates that more adrenal erosion is needed,
induction continues. Most dogs have reached maintenance
by the 16th day of induction but others require more time,
especially if they are taking concurrent drugs that alter
the metabolisim of lysodren. (Phenobarbital would be the
obvious such medication).

MAINTENANCE

After achieving maintenance, another ACTH stimulation
test is recommended afterabout a month and then twice
a year or so thereafter. Approximately 50% of dogs will
experience a relapse at some point and require a second
round of induction.

o Full reversal of clinical signs associated with Cushing's
disease can be expected after 4-6 months of lysodren
therapy.

Usually the first, sign to show improvement is the excess
water consumption. The last sign to show change will be
hair re-growth

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Does that sound like the therapy your vet is providing?

I am NOT a veterinarian but there may be safer /
more effective ways to deal with this condition.

Of curse. Just look up the posted case histories
of the dog right here who've got the DIS-EASE.

As evidenced by her separation anxiety and fear of thunder.

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Just THAT could stress her considerably.

Right. But even so, she herself, due to pryor
punishment, could punish herself for accidents.

Right. We've discussed that pryor. My suggestion at
that time was to designate a break area nearby your
doorway so she doesn't have to go through the trauma
of walkin around your wolf infested neighborhood at nite.

We're all more fearful after dark.

Yes, I advised you abHOWET dealin with him, to boot.

As she should be!

Ahhh! That could be the chief antagonist to her condition.
Put her on command and ask her to heel when you take her
HOWET, that'll give her some distraction from her phobia
and will give her additional confidence in you.

Try to train her to relieve herself right nearby your
doorway and that'll obviate the entire scary situation.

Yes, that's another STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{): ~ ( >

Use PRAISE for fifteen or twenty seconds when she
starts diggin at her ears and distraction and praise if
that fails to interrupt her obsessive scratching.

I'd say the ears and the adrenal problems are both
caused by the stressful situation of walking at nite.
Do ALL the EXXXORCISES in my manual to give
her extra confidence in you and put and keep her on
command as you walk with her. That'll give her a
sense of confidence.

We just done that...

Start with the Hot & Cold EXXXORCISE and
do the Family Leadership EXXXORCISE and
work the come command till it's installed as a
conditional reflex. Rely on the come command
instead of "coaxing" her whenever she breaks
the heel to avoid going with you on the street
as well as in the HOWES when you tell her
she's going HOWET.

NO PROBLEMO! These matters are complex and
sometimes it's difficult to connect all the dots,
especially when it seems there's no connecting them.

Yours In Love And Light,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

               Death Producing Ulcers:
   "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"

           Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
importance of emotional factors in general health.

Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have
LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism
scores.

Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more important than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).

In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;

(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;

(2) organic modifications, including functional
difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal,
cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin,
urinary, and neuro muscular systems.

It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE
of the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by
accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH
PRODUCING ULCERS.

             -----------------

I suspect you are absolutely correct. The look on her face
looks like she is scared, like she might have been punished
or treated abusively in her past. A friend of mine saw this
on her face also. It breaks my heart.

You've given me a lot of good information to read thru.
It would be a dream come thru if she would be willing
to relieve herself right nearby my doorway, but she's
only willing to pee there, not poop. Regardless of time
of day, she never pees and poops in the same area.

Please be specific what I can do to train her to poop
near the front door. If you recall, she NEVER let's
me know when she has to go out, so any exercise
that relies on her indicating she has to go out, won't
work in our situation.

Robin

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HOWEDY Robin,

Of curse The Amazing Puppy Wizard is correct <{); ~ ) >

THAT COMES WITH THE TERRORTORY.

Probably so. HOWEver, even if she wasn't, it's a dog's
own natural instinct that dictates HOWEsbreaking
behavior.

It'd be like us havin an accident. Even if noWON was
there to see it, we'd STILL feel shame embarrassment
and guilt even long into the future when we recall the
situation.

LikeWIZE <{):*~ ( >

Try studying it using a text to speech reader.
There's a free WON at http://www.ultraHal.Com.

Ahhh, "FREE" The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's SPECIALTY <{); ~ ) > !!!

O.K., that sounds like she needs a little EXXXORCISE
to get things rollin. Perhaps you can throw a toy for her
a few minutes pryor to takin her HOWET and then just
follow the INSTRUCTIONS for relieving her on command.
Give her two minutes to "take a break" and then return
her to heel and go back inside. SERRUPTITIOUSLY
(SUBTLY) keep an eye on her (maybe play some more if
she will) and if she shows any sign of wanting to go back
HOWET repeat the process or take her HOWET when you
want to try again.

Continue like that till she relieves herself where you prefer.
Maybe you can pick up a stool from another site she's used
and place it at the new designated spot. You know what
times of day she ordinarily needs to relieve herself so pay
attention to that when you attempt to regulate her new
behavior.

First thing in the morning is probably your best shot.
Temporarily refrain from taking her for pleasure / health
walking /  EXXXORCISE, just stick to business till you
get relieving herself at your designated site on command.
When she's  done that you may walk her for pleasure health
and EXXXORCISE.

DO NOT USE TREATS as a "REWARD",
that'll cause more STRESS.

That's probably on accHOWENT of she prefers (or
NEEDS) a little EXXXORCISE pryor to relieving
herself and is distracted by various scents on her walks.

Training a dog to relieve themself on command makes
life EZ and shouldn't take more than WON or TWO
days to accomplish.

You might facilitate doin so by giving her a walk on
command (during the day) and ONLY offer her to "take
a break" when you return to the selected site near your
doorway. Shouldn't take long for her to figger it HOWET.

I THINK we just done that already...

UNTIL she's trained to do so. Of curse the REASON
she won't TELL you she's got to "go" is on accHOWENT
of she's been scolded punished or ignored for BOTHERING
her people by asking to go HOWET.

HOWER DOG LOVERS often scold crate and punish
their dogs when they "BOTHER" them to go HOWET
unnecessarily.

Just read any of the "crate training" threads and you'll SEE
THAT. They THINK the dog don't NEED to go HOWET
on accHOWENT of he's just been HOWET and relieved
hisself. When they put IT back in their crates to go to bed
they THINK the dog is just COMPLAINING on
accHOWENT of he don't want to stay in his box with no
food water or toilet area.

Then they WONder HOWE COME the dog has diareah
inside the crate! So they take IT to the vet for some
antibiotics and they GET antibiotics and THEN the dog
comes DHOWEN with yeast infections and it's back to
the vets again!

The vets can't understand HOWE COME their CASH
CUSTOMERS keep comin back for the same same
same same chronic conditions but they AIN'T gonna
COMPLAIN, they gotta pay for all that education they got.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Subject: R.P.D.B. Syndrome

http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT: HOW DIFFICULTIES
IN RECOGNIZING ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE LEAD
TO INFLATED SELF-ASSESSMENTS

Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants
scoring in the bottom quartile... grossly overestimated
their best performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated
themselves to be in the 62nd.

- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.

- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.

- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.