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DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@i-love-dogs.com - 23 Aug 2007 20:35 GMT
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HOWEDY FellHOWE Dog Lovers,

Jerry Howe, after dismally FAILING to educate our fellHOWE
dog lovers on these forums to the absurdity of their reliance
on their preferred use of bribery, avoidance, pain, fear, force,
intimidation, surgical sexual mutilation and "euthanasia" as
NECESSARY *(IN SOME CASES), came to the realization
that we HAD been dealing with SCHIZOPHRENICS.

PUNISHMENT ALWAYS DERANGES BEHAVIOR.

Therefore, PUNISHMENT often WORKS WELL to "CURE"
schizophrenia.

Consequently, Jerry Howe, despite his devHOWET
ABHORANCE of the use of PUNISHMENT, had become
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply AMAZING
Grand Puppy Wizard, relying steadfastly on HIS modified
hybrid koehler / Socratic method to identify, expose, and
discredit the dog abusing mental cases, SUCCESSFULLY
ridding these forums of their lies, abuse, and self gratifying
nonsense.

For that reason you DON'T FIND the "old regulars" posting
their lies, insanity and abuse here any longer. THEY
LEARNED THEIR LESSONS WELL!  My sincere
appreciation is EXXXTENDED to wm. koehler, drs. sidman,
dermer, plonsky, descartes, and of curse, Socratease!

HOWEver, what REMAINS are... THE INCURABLES!

The "regular" posters of today are NOT schizoid, they're
PSYCHOPATHS, a.k.a., CRIMINALLY INSANE and
PROBABLY INCURABLE <{}: ~ ( >

>From the article below:

"It has been shown that punishment and behavior
modification techniques do not improve the behavior of a
psychopath. They have been regularly observed to respond
to both by becoming more cunning and hiding their behavior
better.

It has been suggested that traditional therapeutic approaches
actually make them, if not worse, then far more adept at
manipulating others and concealing their behavior. They are
generally considered to be not only incurable but also
untreatable.

Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense
of the potential consequences of their actions,
not only for others, but also for themselves.
They do not, for example, deeply recognize the
risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as
a result of their behaviour."

Therefore, further use of PUNISHMENT would be CRUEL,
INHUMANE, and INEFFECTIVE. Henceforth, The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy
Wizard MUST rely upon THE SAME techniques as HE
TEACHES for the rehabilitation of fear aggressive DOGS:

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, TRUST, and RESPECT.

Subject: R.P.D.B. Syndrome

http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

             UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT:
  HOW DIFFICULTIES IN RECOGNIZING ONE'S OWN
                          INCOMPETENCE
        LEAD TO INFLATED SELF-ASSESSMENTS

Across 4 studies, the authors found that
participants scoring in the bottom quartile...
grossly overestimated their best performance
and ability. Although their test scores put
them in the 12th percentile, they estimated
themselves to be in the 62nd.

- Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.

- Insufficiently advanced malice is
indistinguishable from incompetence.

psychosis (si-ko'sis)
Plural psychoses (si-ko'sez)

A mental state caused by psychiatric or organic illness,
characterized by a loss of contact with reality and an
inability to think rationally. A psychotic person often
behaves inappropriately and is incapable of normal social
functioning.

psy·chop·a·thy /sa?'k?p??i/ Pronunciation[sahy-kop-uh-thee]
-noun, plural -thies. Psychiatry.

1. a mental disorder in which an individual
manifests amoral and antisocial behavior,
lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal
relationships, extreme egocentricity,
failure to learn from experience, etc.

n.Mental disorder, especially when
manifested by antisocial behavior.

Main Entry: de·praved
Pronunciation: di-'prAvd
Function: adjective: marked by moral
corruption or perversion as shown by
a capacity for extreme and wanton
physical cruelty

Psychopathy

Psychopathy, or sociopathy, is currently
defined in psychiatry and clinical psychology
as a condition characterized by lack of empathy
or conscience, and poor impulse control or
manipulative behaviors.

It is a term derived from the Greek psyche
(soul, breath hence mind) and pathos (to
suffer), and was once used to denote any
form of mental illness, often being confused
with psychosis.

Though in widespread use, psychopathy has no
precise equivalent in either the DSM-IV-TR,
where it is most strongly correlated with
antisocial personality disorder, or the ICD-10,
where it is correlated with dissocial personality disorder.

Some experts are working toward listing
psychopathy as a unique disorder. However,
only a minority of diagnosable psychopaths
are violent offenders.

The manipulative skills of some of the others
are valued for providing audacious leadership.

Some have argued that psychopathy is adaptive in a highly
competitive environment, because it gets results for both the
individual and the corporations they represent. However,
these individuals will often cause long-term harm, both to
their co-workers and the organization as a whole, due their
manipulative, deceitful, abusive, and often fraudulent behaviour.

In current clinical use, psychopathy is most
commonly diagnosed using the checklist devised
by Emeritus Professor Robert Hare. He describes
psychopaths as "intraspecies predators who use
charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence
to control others and to satisfy their own selfish
needs.

Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they take
what they want and do as they please, violating social norms
and expectations without guilt or remorse" . "What is missing,
in other words, are the very qualities that allow a humanbeing
to live in social harmony.

History

Research into a group of individuals that could
be described as psychopathic was first completed
by Philippe Pinel almost 200 years ago.

Pinel described patients as "insane without
delirium," which he characterized as a lack
of restraint and remorselessness for their
actions.

Pinel felt that his patients were morally
neutral, reflecting his humanistic approach
to mental illness.

The next most distinctive work on psychopaths
was done in 1941 by Hervey Cleckley in his book
The Mask of Sanity (significantly expanded in
the second edition of 1950). Cleckley offered
a broad range of case histories, from all
corners of society, all of which showed patients
with the common characteristic of "emotional emptiness."

Cleckley probed the psychopath's attitudes and thought
patterns in search of a meaning for their unusual behaviour;
however, according to Robert Hare, Cleckley's most
important contribution was in providing the framework of
emotion for most future research into this disorder.

What is a psychopath?

A psychopath has no concern for the feelings of
others and a complete disregard for any sense
of social obligation, though superficially they
seem like a normal person.

They can be charming and polite on the surface,
but this only disguises their lack of empathy.
They seem egocentric and lack insight of any
sense of responsibility or consequence.

Their emotions are thought to be superficial
and shallow, if they exist at all. They are
considered callous, manipulative, and incapable
of forming lasting relationships, let alone
showing any kind of meaningful love. They
typically never perform any action unless
they determine it can be beneficial for themselves.

Since psychopaths cause harm through their actions,
it is assumed that they are not emotionally attached
to the people they harm; however, according to the
PCL-R Checklist, psychopaths are also careless in
the way they treat themselves. They frequently fail
to alter their behavior in a way that would prevent
them from enduring future discomfort. Dr. Joseph
Newman contends that the behavior displayed by
psychopaths is the result of "an inability to process
contextual cues."

It is thought that any emotions which the primary psychopath
exhibits are the fruits of watching and mimicking other
people's emotions. They show poor impulse control and a
low tolerance for frustration and aggression. They have no
empathy, remorse, anxiety or guilt in relation to their behavior.

In short, they truly are devoid of conscience.

However, they understand that society expects them to
behave in a conscientious manner, and therefore they mimic
this behavior when it suits their needs.

Most studies of psychopaths have taken place among prison
populations. This remains a limitation on its applicability to a
general population but that has not prevented fiction writers
from popularizing psychopaths in the movies.

Cleckley defined psychopathy thusly:

1. Superficial charm and above average intelligence.
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.
3. Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations.
4. Unreliability.
5. Untruthfulness and insincerity.
6. Lack of remorse or shame.
7. Antisocial behavior without apparent compunction.
8. Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience.
9. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love.
10. General poverty in major affective reactions.
11. Specific loss of insight.
12. Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations.
13. Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink,
and sometimes without.
14. Suicide threats rarely carried out.
15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
16. Failure to follow any life plan.

It has been shown that punishment and behavior modification
techniques do not improve the behavior of a psychopath.
They have been regularly observed to respond to both by
becoming more cunning and hiding their behavior better.

It has been suggested that traditional therapeutic approaches
actually make them, if not worse, then far more adept at
manipulating others and concealing their behavior. They are
generally considered to be not only incurable but also
untreatable.

Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense
of the potential consequences of their actions,
not only for others, but also for themselves.
They do not, for example, deeply recognize the
risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as
a result of their behaviour.

Legal definitions

Psychopathy has quite separate legal and judicial definitions
that should not be confused with the medical definition.
Various states and nations have at various times enacted
laws specific to dealing with psychopathic offenders, and
many ofthese laws are active, on statute, today:

Washington State Legislature defines a "Psychopathic
personality" to mean "the existence in any person of such
hereditary, congenital or acquired condition affecting the
emotional or volitional rather than the intellectual field and
manifested by anomalies of such character as to render
satisfactory social adjustment of such person difficult or
impossible".

California enacted a psychopathic offender law in 1939 that
defined a psychopath solely in terms of offenders with a
predisposition "to the commission of sexual offenses
against children."

A 1941 law attempted to further clarify this to the point where
anyone examined and found to be psychopathic was to be
committed to a state hospital and anyone else was to be
sentenced by the courts.

In the United Kingdom, "Psychopathic Disorder" is legally
defined in the The Mental Health Act (UK) as, "a persistent
disorder or disability of mind (whether or not including
significant impairment of intelligence) which results in
abnormally aggressive or seriously irresponsible conduct on
the part of the person concerned."

Types of psychopathy

Cleckley also distinguished between two types of
psychopathy: primary and secondary. Primary psychopathy
was defined as the root disorder in patients diagnosed with
it whereas secondary psychopathy was defined as an aspect
of another psychiatric disorder or social circumstances.

Today, primary psychopaths are considered to
have mostly Factor 1 traits from the PCL-R
(arrogance, callousness, manipulativeness,
lying) whereas secondary psychopaths have a
majority of Factor 2 traits (impulsivity,
boredom proneness, irresponsibility, lack of
long-term goals) .

Mealey uses the term "primary psychopathy"
to differentiate between psychopathy that
is biological in origin and "secondary
psychopathy" that results from a combination
of genetic and environmental influences.
Lykken prefers sociopathy to describe the latter.

Sellbom and Ben-Porath (2005) describe
the distinction succinctly:

Some people who engage in violent behavior
possess psychopathic personality traits,
such as callousness, grandiosity, and
fearlessness, and presumably engage in such
conduct because they care little about others.

Others are impulsive and experience considerable anger,
anxiety, and distress and may commit violent acts as a
reaction to negative emotions, which are sometimes referred
to as "crimes of passion."

Indeed, the distinction between primary and secondary
psychopathy (including so-called neurotic psychopathy) has
long been noted in the psychopathy literature (Karpman, 1947;
Lykken, 1995).

This distinction closely resembles the distinction between
instrumental and impulsive/reactive crime/violence in the field
of criminology.

Joseph P. Newman et al. have validated David
T. Lykken's conceptualization of psychopathy
subtypes in relation to Gray's behavioral
activation system and behavioral inhibition system.

Primary psychopathy

On the MMPI-2 Restructured Clinical Scales (RC),
primary psychopathy (as measured by the Psychopathic
Personality Inventory, Factor 1) is negatively correlated with
RC2 (low positive emotions), RC7 (dysfunctional negative
emotions), RC4 (antisocial behavior), and RC9 (hypomanic
activation). On the MMPI-2 Personality Psychopathology
Five (PSY-5) scales, primary psychopathy was positively
correlated with aggression (Specifically, grandiosity and
interpersonal dominance, and instrumental aggression). and
DISC(onstraint) (specifically, fearlessness) while being
negatively correlated with NEGE (negative emotionality)
and INTR(oversion).

Newman et al. found measures of primary psychopathy to be
negatively correlated with Gray's behavioral inhibition system,
a construct intended to measure behavioral inhibition from
cues of punishment or nonreward.

Secondary psychopathy

Secondary psychopaths show normal to above-normal
physiological responses to (perceived) potential threats.
Their crimes tend to be unplanned and impulsive with little
thought of the consequences. They have hot tempers and
are prone to reactive aggression. They experience normal to above-
normal levels of anxiety but are nevertheless highly
stimulus seeking and have trouble tolerating boredom.

Their lifestyle may lead to
depression and even suicide.

For the secondary psychopath especially prominent are the
Factor 2 (in the two-factor model) PCL-R items of impulsivity,
weak behavioral controls, irresponsibility, lack of realistic long-
term goals, proneness to boredom/need for stimulation,
parasitic lifestyle, early behavioral problems, juvenile
delinquency, and revocation of conditional release (breaking
probation).

Sellbom and Ben-Porath (2005) found that secondary
psychopathy (as measured by the Psychopathic Personality
Inventory, Factor 2) shows opposite correlations to primary
psychopathy in many cases.

On the MMPI-2 RC, secondary psychopathy is positively
correlated with RC4 (asb), RC7 (dne), and RC9 (hpm). It
was also found to be correlated with the MMPI-2 PSY-5
scales of AGGR(ession) and DISC(onstraint).

Newman et al. found measures of secondary psychopathy to
be positively correlated with Gray's behavioral activation
system, a construct intended to measure sensitivity to cues
of behavioral approach.

Diagnostic Criteria, The PCL-R Assessment
The PCL-R has allowed for a differentiation
of individuals with psychopathy and antisocial
personality disorder (APD).

In contemporary research and clinical psychiatry |clinical
practice, psychopathy is most commonly assessed with the
PCL-R (Hare, 1991), which is a clinical rating scale with 20
items. Each of the items in the PCL-R is scored on a three-
point (0, 1, 2) scale according to two factors. PCL-R Factor
2 is associated with reactive anger, anxiety, increased risk of
suicide, criminality, and impulsive violence.

PCL-R Factor 1, in contrast, is associated with extroversion
and positive affect. Factor 1, the so-called core personality
traits of psychopathy, may even be beneficial for the
psychopath (in terms of nondeviant social functioning).

A psychopath will score high on both factors,
whereas someone with APD will score high only
on Factor 2.

Both case history and a semi-structured
interview are used in the analysis.

Psychopathy's relationship with
other mental disorders

Psychopathy, as measured on the PCL-R, is
negatively correlated with all DSM-IV Axis
I disorders except substance abuse disorders.

Psychopathy is most strongly correlated with DSM-IV
antisocial personality disorder. PCL-R Factor 1 is correlated
with narcissistic personality disorder and histrionic personality
disorder. PCL-R Factor 2 is particularly strongly correlated to
antisocial personality disorder and criminality.

PCL-R Factor 2 is associated with reactive anger, anxiety,
increased risk of suicide, criminality, and impulsive violence.
PCL-R Factor 1, in contrast, is associated with extroversion
and positive affect.

The official stance of the American Psychiatric Association
as presented in the DSM-IV-TR is that psychopathy and
sociopathy are obsolete synonyms for antisocial personality
disorder.

The World Health Organization takes a similar stance in its
ICD-10 by referring to psychopathy, sociopathy, antisocial
personality, asocial personality, and amoral personality as
synonyms for dissocial personality disorder.

Among laypersons and professionals, there is much confusion
about the meanings and differences between psychopathy,
sociopathy, antisocial personality disorder, and dissocial
personality disorder.

Sociopathy

The difference between sociopathy and psychopathy,
according to Hare, may "reflect the user's views
on the origins and determinates of the disorder.

Most sociologists, criminologists and even some psychologists
believe the disorder is caused by social conflicts, and thus
prefer the term 'sociopath.'

Those who believe as Hare does, that a
combination of psychological, biological,
genetic and environmental factors all
contribute to the disorder are more likely
to use the term 'psychopath'.

David T. Lykken proposes that psychopathy and sociopathy
are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality.

He holds that psychopaths are born with
temperamental differences such as impulsivity,
cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that
lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an
inability to internalize social norms; sociopaths,
on the other hand, have relatively normal temperaments;
their personality disorder being more an effect of negative
sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers,
poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence.

Both personality disorders are, of course,
the result of an interaction between genetic
predispositions and environmental factors,
but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary
whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.

Antisocial personality disorder

Comparing psychopathy to antisocial personality disorder is
a continuing source of debate within the psychological
community. The official stance of the American Psychiatric
Association as presented in the DSM-IV-TR is that
psychopathy and sociopathy are obsolete synonyms for
antisocial personality disorder (APD).

The World Health Organization takes a similar stance in its
ICD-10 by referring to psychopathy, sociopathy, antisocial
personality, asocial personality, and amoral personality as
synonyms for dissocial personality disorder.

Hare and others take the stance that psychopathy as a
syndrome should be considered distinct from the DSM-IV's
antisocial personality disorder construct. even though APD
and psychopathy were intended to be equivalent in the DSM-IV.

However, those who created the DSM-IV felt that
there was too much room for subjectivity on the
part of clinicians when identifying things like
remorse and guilt; therefore, the DSM-IV panel
decided to stick to observable behaviour, namely
socially deviant behaviours.

As a result, the diagnosis of APD is something
that the "majority of criminals easily meet.

Hare goes further to say that the percentage of incarcerated
criminals that meet the requirements of APD is somewhere
between 80 to 85%, whereas only about 20% of these
criminals would qualify for a diagnosis of psychopath. This
twenty percent, according to Hare, accounts for 50% of all
the most serious crimes committed, including half of all
serial and repeat rapists. According to FBI reports 44% of
all police officer murders in 1992 were committed by
psychopaths.

One study found that only 20 percent of those diagnosed
with APD qualified as psychopath on the PCL-R.

Another study using the PCL-R to examine the relationship
between antisocial behaviour and suicide found that suicide
history was strongly correlated to PCL-R Factor 2 (reflecting
antisocial deviance) and was not correlated to PCL-R factor
1 (reflecting affective functioning). Given that APD relates to
Factor 2, whereas psychopathy relates to both factors, this
would confirm Hervey Cleckley's assertion that psychopaths
are relatively immune to suicide. Sufferers of APD, on the
other hand, have a relatively high suicide rate.

Pseudopsychopathic personality disorder

It has been suggested that people can suffer apparently
psychopathic personality changes from lesions or damage
of the brain's frontal lobe . This is sometimes called
Pseudopsychopathic personality disorder or Frontal lobe disorder.

One well-known and dramatic case was that of Phineas Gage,
a 19th century railroad work supervisor, who had been
relatively mild-tempered before the damage to his brain
occurred.

According to Renato M. E. Sabbatini, an explosive charge
was set. When it detonated, a steel rod was accidentally
driven through Gage's skull from his left cheek to above the
ight brow.

Incredibly, he survived for many years. According to the
common account, his personality changed completely. He
became abusive, aggressive, deceitful, irresponsible and
incapable of insight and planning (a poor sense of
consequence). Computerized reconstructions of the possible
brain damage suggest that, from his known injuries he seemed
likely to have had a lesion on the ventromedial frontal cortex.

However, Malcolm Macmillian's recent research into the
Gage case shows evidence that many of the so- called
"psychopathic" features were never documented by physician
John Harlow, the primary source, or the Harvard physicians
who examined him intensively in Boston. No police records
or newspaper accounts can be found for Gage's alleged
drunken behavior or violence, nor any record of his mother
complaining to Dr. Harlow, despite being in contact for years.

Macmillan suggests that claims of deceitfulness, social
coarsening and loutish behavior, in Harlow's report to the
medical society, lack justification.

His research also showed that Gage was able to hold steady
work in two locations. His drifting from job to job happened
at the end of his life when he developed seizures, eventually
succumbing to status epilepticus in front of his family.
Macmillan concluded that, at worst, Gage was probably
guileless and lacked social skills. A hotel guest, basically a
stranger, convinced him to travel to Chile and manage a
Concord stagecoach, a difficult cognitive-motor task, which
he apparently mastered.

Childhood precursors

Psychopathy is not normally diagnosed in children or
adolescents, and some jurisdictions explicitly forbid diagnosing
psychopathy and similar personality disorders in minors.

Psychopathic tendencies can sometimes be recognized
in childhood or early adolescence and, if recognised, are
diagnosed as conduct disorder. It must be stressed that not
all children diagnosed with conduct disorder grow up to be
psychopaths, or even disordered at all, but these childhood
signs are found in significantly higher proportions in
psychopaths than in the general population.

Conduct disorder, as well as its subcategory Oppositional
Defiance Disorder, can sometimes develop into adult
psychopathy. However, conduct disorder "fails to capture
the emotional, cognitive and interpersonality traits -
egocentricity, lack of remorse, empathy or guilt - that are so
important in the diagnosis of psychopathy.

Children showing strong psychopathic precursors
often appear immune to punishment; nothing seems to modify
their undesirable behavior. Consequently parents usually give
up, and the behavior worsens.

The following childhood indicators are to be interpreted not
as to the type of behavior, but as to its relentless and unvarying
occurrence.Not all must be present concurrently, but at least
a number of them need to be present over a period of years:

* An extended period of bedwetting past the preschool years
that is not due to any medical problem.

* Cruelty to animals beyond an angry outburst.

* Firesetting and other vandalism. Not to be confused with
playing with matches, which is not uncommon for preschoolers.
This is the deliberate setting of destructive fires with utter
disregard for the property and lives of others.

* Lying, often without discernible objectives, extending beyond
a child's normal impulse not to be punished. Lies that are so
extensive that it is often impossible to know lies from truth.

* Theft and truancy.

* Aggression to peers, not necessarily physical,
which can include getting others into trouble or
a campaign of psychological torment.

The three indicators - bedwetting, cruelty to
animals and firestarting, known as the MacDonald
triad - were first described by J.M. MacDonald as indicators
of psychopathy. Though the relevance of these indicators to
serial murder etiology has since been called into question,
they are considered relevant to psychopathy.

The question of whether young children with
early indicators of psychopathy respond poorly
to intervention compared to conduct disordered
children without these traits has only recently
been examined in controlled clinical research.
The findings from this research are consistent
with broader evidence - pointing to poor
treatment outcomes.

Discrete taxon vs. continuous dimension

As part of the larger debate on whether personality disorders
are distinct from normal personality or extremes on various
dimensions of normal personality is the debate on whether
psychopathy represents something "qualitatively different"
from normal personality or a "continuous dimension" shading
from normality into severely psychopathic.

Early taxonometric analysis from Harris and
colleagues indicated that a discrete category
may underlie psychopathy, however this was only
found for the behavioural Factor 2 items,
indicating that this analysis may be related
to Anti-social Personality Disorder rather
than psychopathy per se.

John Marcus, and Edens performed some statistical analysis
on previously attained PCL-R and PPI  scores and concluded
that psychopathy may best be conceptualized as having a
"dimensional latent structure" like depression.

In contrast, the PCL-R sets a score of 30 out of
40 for North American male inmates as its cut-off
point for a diagnosis of psychopathy, however this
is an abitrary cut-off and should not be taken to
reflect any sort of underlying structure for the disorder.

Perceptual/emotional recognition deficits

In a 2002 study, David Kosson and Yana Suchy,
et al. asked psychopathic inmates to name the
emotion expressed on each of 30 faces; compared
to controls, psychopaths had a significantly
lower rate of accuracy in recognizing disgusted
facial affect but a higher rate of accuracy in recognizing anger.

Additionally, when "conditions designed to
minimize the involvement of left-hemispheric mechanisms"
were used, psychopaths had more difficulty accurately
identifying emotions.

This study did not replicate Blaire, et al.
(1997)'s findings that psychopaths are
specifically less sensitive to nonverbal
cues of fear or distress.

Also, in a 2002 experiment, Mitchell Blair et al.
used the Vocal Affect Recognition Test to measure psychopaths'
recognition of the emotional intonation given to connotatively neutral
words. Psychopaths tended to make more recognition errors than
controls with a particularly high rate of error for sad and fearful
vocal affect.

Kristina D. Hiatt, William A. Schmitt, Joseph
Newman conducted an experiment in 2004 to test
the hypothesis of overselective attention in
psychopaths using two forms of the Stroop color-
word and picture-word tasks: with color/picture
and word separated and with color/picture and
word together.

They found that in the separated Stroop tasks, psychopaths performed
significantly worse than controls; however, on standard Stroop tasks,
psychopaths performed equally well as controls.

When split into low-anxious and high-anxious groups, low-anxious
psychopaths and low-anxious controls showed less interference on the
separated Stroop tasks than their high-anxious counterparts; for low-
anxious psychopaths, interference was very nearly zero. They conclude
that the inability to integrate contextual cues depends on the cues'
relationship to "the deliberately attended, goal-relevant
information."

See also

Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R)
Conduct disorder
Oppositional defiant disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Crime
Serial killer
Narcissistic personality disorder
Sadistic personality disorder
Fictional portrayals of psychopaths in film
Fictional portrayals of psychopaths in literature
Malignant narcissism
Mind game

References
Further reading

Cleckley, Hervey M. The Mask of Sanity:
An Attempt to Reinterpret the So-Called
Psychopathic Personality, 5th Edition,
revised 1984, PDF file download.

Cooke DJ, Michie C (2001). "Refining the
construct of psychopathy: towards a hierarchical model". Psychological
assessment 13 (2): 171-88.

Hare, Robert D Without Conscience.

Hare, Robert D with Paul Babiak Snakes in Suits:
When Psychopaths Go to Work (2006) Hill CD, Neumann
CS, Rogers R (2004). "Confirmatory factor analysis
of the psychopathy checklist: screening version in
offenders with axis I disorders".

Psychological assessment 16 (1): 90-5.
Neumann CS, Vitacco MJ, Hare RD, Wupperman
P (2005). "Reconstruing the "reconstruction"
of psychopathy: a comment on Cooke, Michie,
Hart, and Clark". J. Personal. Disord. 19
(6): 624-40.

Patrick, Christopher J. (2006) Handbook of Psychopathy.

Michael H. Thimble, F.R.C.P., F.R.C. Psych. Psychopathology of Frontal
Lobe Syndromes.

External links

Without Conscience Official web site for
Dr. Robert Hare Malatesti, L, Psychopathy
in Psychiatry and Philosophy: An Annotated
Bibliography O'Connor, T, Antisocial Personality, Sociopathy and
Psychopathy RCMP Gazette Vol. 66,
Issue 3 2004, The psychopathic offender
Understanding The Psychopath: (Key Definitions & Research)

                    In Love And Light,
      I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
                       Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                    A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                     G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
      SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

        HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
samvaknin - 24 Aug 2007 11:37 GMT
Hi,

For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html

Other Personality Disorders

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
Personality
Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy)

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html

Serial and mass killers

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/serialkillers.html

School shootings

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/9.html

Narcissism and Evil

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal65.html

Is the Narcissist Legally Insane?

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders49.html

Take care.

Sam
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@HotMail.Com - 24 Aug 2007 17:38 GMT
HOWEDY Dr. Sam,

Welcome to Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory. I'm
Jerry Howe, Director Of Research, a.k.a., The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard <{}: ~ ) >

Here's my website:
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Sam

Thank you for responding with further information.
I've enjoyed your website and will continue studying
it when I return from my appointments today and
will apprise you of my uneducated opinions of your
scholarly works.

>From your website:

Someone is considered mentally "ill" if:

His conduct rigidly and consistently deviates
from the typical, average behaviour of all other
people in his culture and society that fit his profile
(whether this conventional behaviour is moral or
rational is immaterial), or

His judgment and grasp of objective, physical
reality is impaired, and

His conduct is not a matter of choice
but is innate and irresistible, and

His behavior causes him or others discomfort, and is

Dysfunctional, self-defeating, and self-destructive
even by his own yardsticks.

                 -----------------

According to those critteria, it is I who is INSANE!

>From your website:

It would seem that sanity and insanity are relative
terms, dependent on frames of cultural and social
reference, and statistically defined. There isn't -
and, in principle, can never emerge - an "objective",
medical, scientific test to determine mental health
or disease unequivocally.

VIII. Adaptation and Insanity - (correspondence
with Paul Shirley, MSW)

"Normal" people adapt to their environment -
both human and natural.

"Abnormal" ones try to adapt their environment -
both human and natural - to their idiosyncratic
needs/profile.

If they succeed, their environment, both human
(society) and natural is pathologized.

Descriptive criteria aside, what is the essence of
mental disorders? Are they merely physiological
disorders of the brain, or, more precisely of its
chemistry? If so, can they be cured by restoring
the balance of substances and secretions in that
mysterious organ? And, once equilibrium is
reinstated - is the illness "gone" or is it still lurking
there, "under wraps", waiting to erupt?

Are psychiatric problems inherited, rooted in faulty
genes (though amplified by environmental factors) -
or brought on by abusive or wrong nurturance?

These questions are the domain of the "medical"
school of mental health.

Others cling to the spiritual view of the human
psyche. They believe that mental ailments amount
to the metaphysical discomposure of an unknown
medium - the soul. Theirs is a holistic approach,
taking in the patient in his or her entirety, as well
as his milieu.

                   -------------

Here's some further research, Dr. Sam:

 Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
 attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem,
              it's a SPIRITUAL problem,
                      passed on
         from WON generatiHOWEN of abuser
                    to the next,
 like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the stream;
After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

       To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL
              of your parental teachins.

            The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME
             Is the Perfect Synergy Of
   Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
              Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
    Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
 Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
 Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion,
 Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change,
 Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                       And
   Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.

       YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
   The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                  A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                    G-R-A-N-D
 Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett, Monkey
       SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

      "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
               and right action
           as separate, not the wise.

  If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

       The level which is reached by wisdom
                  is attained
          through right action as well.

       He who perceives that the two are one
               knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

       What is the use of compulsion then?

       The love and hate which are aroused
    by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
             do not yield to them.

         They only obstruct the path," -
                - Bhagavad Gita,
       adapted by Krishna with permission
       from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
       Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
       Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )  >

           --------------------------

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                  Never Change,
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              And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
       For All Handler's And All Critters,
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  Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
              SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's
     100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
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                      ----------------

Here's a couple of my contemporaries, or should
we say, a couple other MENTAL CASES?:

On Aug 22, 11:55 am, dan...@netscape.net wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> Interesting, sounds oddly familiar!

INDEED?

>http://www.dogmastersystem.com/?gclid=CPTLhfqniY4CFRUHWAodclG9Eg

Ahhh, Dr. Gene Dare Miller and our old friend
Dr. Larry Male PRYOR to studying his own
FREE COPY of The Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Training Method Manual!

ENJOY!!:

Dr. Larry Male (a.k.a. TooCool) ruminates
on Dog Behavior and Dog Training

Dr. Larry Male, Engineer, Scientist and
Mathematician, writes to Dr. Miller about
his dog Duke, the importance of DOG-MASTER®,
and his opinion on other dog "training" methods.

Dear Dr. Miller,

It was such a pleasure for me to talk with
you on the phone this morning.

I never did see your television appearances
although they were well within my era. I think
that I am perhaps 15 years your junior. I wish
I had seen them though.

It was a little ad in Dog Fancy, I think, that
I initially responded to back in 1992. I remember
that the wording seemed to be a bit like a snake
oil salesman, e.g., miraculous, magic learning
sound etc. But at that time, I was investigating
different dog training techniques and I could
easily afford a stamp to find out. But when I
received your literature, I immediately grasped
that this was important and scientific.

I already had my Golden when I received my DOG
MASTER kit and he was perhaps 2 years old at the
time. I had tried my best to train him, using the choke
chain dog training class once a week. Oh, I should
mention that I am currently a software engineer, but I
have a master's in zoology and a doctorate in
mathematics and biometrics.

Anyway, when I received your DOG MASTER System
book I was capable of understanding the magnitude of
your accomplishment.

I had such a great and immediate success that I dropped
out of the dog training class. For 9 more years my Duke
continued to learn more and more and more. He loved to
learn and to show off what he had learned. People were
so amazed at his behavior that they could not believe it.

He responded to complex commands, within
sentences spoken in a normal tone of voice.
To those watching, he must have seemed almost
human. His eyes were always upon me.

I remember that he would lie on the floor watching
me for hours. I could give him subtle hand signals
with my finger to make him sit up, lie down, stand,
stay etc. As he learned, I begin to make the hand
signals less and less obvious. And he learned to
respond to whisper commands. Oh, it was so much
fun and rewarding.

It has been two years now since Duke passed on
and now I have decided to get a Pembroke Welch
Corgi. I have been rereading the DOG MASTER
System book. My poor little book is falling apart
now. But as I reread I begin to realize how much
more effective I could have been if I had followed
your directions more closely.

How much better it will be for me now, to study
and to practice before I get my puppy. When you
already have your dog, you are so anxious to try
the DOG MASTER, that you don't take the time to
grasp the importance of each element of your system.

As I now reread your book, I think to myself,
"How was he able to develop this complex system?"
But each of your directions is supported by an
analysis of dog behavior. These explanations are
so important to me. A human mind requires those
explanations in order to apply the DOG MASTER
System intelligently.

I have purchased a number of top books on clicker
training (operant conditioning). This is the current
rage in dog training. But these authors freely admit
in their books that they no answers for dog behavior
problems.

They don't know how to prevent them or cure them.
They don't seem to know how to housetrain a dog.
Everyday I see dogs walking their owners (dragging
them forward and backwards through the park). The
owners plead and yell and tackle and treat and give
up in frustration.

Their only consolation is that everyone else's
dog behaves the same. I feel so sorry for everyone.

I know that there exists a training system that will
produce a dream dog, but it isn't advertised or
available. The DOG MASTER System is so vastly
superior to any other alternative that I experience
a feeling of great loss that it isn't readily available.

You know, instead of attending dog training classes
before or at least when they get their puppy.

Teach them about dog behavior and show them how
to use DOG MASTER; stress how important it is
to use it precisely according to the directions.

Tell them that they might as well throw it in
the trash if they don't intend to use it properly.
I think that it would be so much easier to grasp
in a good video production. Then you could watch
it over and over. Hey, don't we all need that
timing, rhythm and repetition to learn?

(... and so on....)

Sincerely,

Larry M. Male

                  -------------

A Professor and a Veterinarian compliment Dr. Miller

Correspondence from two professionals
in field of canine studies...

Dear Dr. Miller:

Sometime ago you sent me a complimentary copy of
your book "The Secret of Canine Communication."
This book has been used extensively in the School
of Veterinary Medicine both by the faculty and the
student body. They have found this a very useful
text and have had much benefit from the opportunity
to review the fine work which you have done.

I do appreciate your kindness in sending me this
book. I will see that it is placed in our Veterinary
Medical Library for the full use of the faculty
and the student body of the school. I am sure that
many of the students will be interested in placing
order for copies of this book as they engage in the
practice of canine medicine.

Sincerely,

Wm. E. Jennings, Professor

Auburn University

School of Veterinary Medicine

-o-

Dear Dr. Miller:

The following review has been submitted to
New York City Veterinarian and should be
published in due course, at the discretion
of the Executive Editor:

**********

This is the unique training manual based upon
subliminal suggestion by means of a special
chain that is so constructed that when it is
shaken or thrown it takes advantage of certain
harmonic attributions of the dog, and training
takes place without leash restraint by means
of applying fundamental principles of conditioned
reflex psychology.

Apparent dramatic results have been obtained with
this approach to training, and it seems to render
more conventional approaches obsolete.

The reader who seeks a practical and thorough
lesson in applied canine psychology can learn
a great deal from the careful perusal of this
popularly written manual.

**********

So there you are. I trust it may be helpful to you.

Respectfully yours,

A. Barton, D.V.M.

Book Editor

New York City Veterinarian

              --------------

      Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
      From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
      Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004

  Subject: Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

  http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppy
  wizard/777witsendmanual.htm

       I have studied canine behavior and dog
       training for years. I have a huge library
       that covers every system of training.

       The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits'
       End Training Method is by far the most
       scientific, the most advanced, the kindest,
       the quickest and the most effective training
       method yet discovered.

       It is not an assortment of training tips
       and tricks; it is a logically consistent
       system. Every behavior problem and every
       obedience skill is treated in the same
       logically consistent manner.

       Please study his manual carefully. Please
       endeavor to understand the basis of his
       system and please follow his directions
       exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It
       is dense with theory, with explanation,
       with detailed descriptions about why
       behavior problems occur and how their
       solution should be approached.

       One should not pick and choose from among
       his methods based upon what you personally
       like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks
       but a complete and integrated system for
       not only training a dog but for raising a
       loving companion.

       When I once said to Jerry that his system
       creates for you the dog of your dreams,
       his response was that it produces for your
       dog the owner of his dreams.

       You see, Jerry has discovered that if
       you are gentle with your dog then he
       will be gentle with you, if you praise
       your dog every time he looks at you,
       then you will become the center of your
       dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
       distraction with praise, then it takes
       just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to
       train your dog to not misbehave (even in
       your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning
       to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly
       and let me clip his nails).

       Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
       distraction / praise / alteration /
       variation) it takes just minutes to train
       you dog to respond to your commands.

       What a pleasure it was for me to see my
       6 week old puppy running as fast has his
       wobbly little legs would carry him in
       response to my recall command-and he
       comes running every time I call no matter
       where we are or what he is doing.

       At ten weeks old now, my puppy never
       strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's
       hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack
       Leadership exercises.

      Jerry has discovered that if you scold
      your dog, if you scream at him, if you
      intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you
      force him then his natural response is
      to oppose you.

      Is Jerry a nut?

     It doesn't make any difference to me whether
     he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge
     a person's ideas based upon their personality.
     As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his
     heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
     when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating,
     scolding or hurting dogs.

     More than that, he knows  that force is
     not effective and that it will certainly
     lead to behavior problems; sometime
     problems so severe that people put their
     dogs down because of those problems.

    I believe that it is natural for humans
    to want to control their dog by force.
    Jerry knows this too. We have all been
    at our wits' end, haven't we?

    Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
    scientific literature it is referred to
    allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in
    like kind to force; they respond in like
    kind to praise.

   Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him
   what he wants most-your kind attention. Give
   him your praise.

   You will be astonished at how your dog 's
   anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
   problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

   Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits'
   End Training Method as a scientific principle
   just as you would the law of gravity and you
   will have astounding success.

   Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

   If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get
   a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will
   surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The
   Gremlins?).

   --Larry

                  -----------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Subject: Dog Behavior Problems

What causes dog behavior problems? Well, first
of all, a dog doesn't know that his behavior is
a problem until you tell him so. But if you
address his behavior negatively then your dog
will tend to repeat it-that is just the nature
of dogs.

Unfortunately for us humans, our natural tendency
is to rebel with emotional outburst, intimidation
or force when our dog's behavior annoys us. But
we must bite our tongue and praise our dog instead.

You do not believe that your dog is out to get
your goat? Just begin to carefully analyze his
behavior. Take for instance the case of the
Mozart hating dog.

Whoever heard of such a thing?  How could such a
bizarre behavior begin and become established? Who
knows for sure, but it could easily happen like this. You
are relaxing listening to your favorite Mozart piece and
your dog begins to play rowdily-he is trying to attract
your attention-but his commotion annoys you.

You get upset and yell at him to shut-up.

Dogs are very sensitive to your emotions-positive
emotions calm them-negative emotions upset them.
But your negative attention has just given your
dog a lesson on how to get your attention.

How many times do think that it will take to make
this behavior automatic? Once, maybe twice is sufficient.

Does your dog act up when you are on the phone?
Why? Does he rush doors? Why? Does he jump up on
you or others? Why? Does he strain upon his leash?

Why?

What can you do to prevent such behaviors
and what can you do to cure them once they
have begun.

The classical conditioning and operant conditioning
schools of thought will advise you to condition your
dog to respond with some other, more acceptable,
behavior to the stimulus which instigates the
misbehavior.

Elaborate schemes are often devised. For instance
condition your dog to run to his crate to get a
treat when guests arrive to prevent him from
jumping upon your guests.

But this school of thought has nothing to
say about preventing such behavior problems
in the first place. And what if you don't
have any treats left? Or what if you are at
your neighbor's house with him?

And what if you wished that your dog would
just sit quietly when guests arrived instead
of each time having to bribe him to come to
his crate?

The force training school of thought will advise
you to scold, intimidate or by some means punish
your dog for what you deem to be misbehavior.

You do not believe that this approach may cause
your dog to dislike or possibly hate you? You do
not believe that your dog will find other, perhaps
more obnoxious, behaviors in order to get even with
you?

This school of thought also has nothing to recommend
upon how to prevent these behavior problems in the
first place.

I recommend that you learn the value of praise
and kind emotions toward your dog. Throw away
your treats and your hickory sticks and raise
a dog who is calm and loving and who never gets
into any trouble.

Learn how to use sound distraction combined with
praise to quickly condition your dog to avoid
behaviors that you dislike; by quickly, I mean
in just a few minutes. Learn to teach your dog
commands in minutes using sound, praise,
alternation and variation while taking advantage
of a dog's natural allelomimetic behavior).

Please study The Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

--Larry

             -----------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:17:01 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

"Lynn K." <java...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0407210206.61b65e3f@posting.google.com..
> "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:pmVKc.2487$jJ1.1185@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...

> > What causes dog behavior problems? Well,
> > first of all, a dog doesn't know  that his
> > behavior is a problem until you tell him so.
> > But if you address his  behavior negatively
> > then your dog will tend to repeat it-that
> > is just the  nature of dogs.

> Huh???? Something's very, very wrong with the
> relationship if a dog tends to repeat behaviors
> he understands are undesired.  That is not
> "just the nature of dogs".  It's the result of
> inept human actions.

> Lynn K.

Dogs do not understand the concept of right
and wrong. But it is their nature to oppose
you. If you pull upon them then they will
pull back, if you push upon them then they
will push back, if they chew upon your shoe
and you scold them then they will naturally
chew your shoe again.

Shoo your dog out of your kitchen and he will
immediately come back in. Try to keep him from
charging the door by pushing him away with your
foot and he will charge ever so much more
deliberately and he will become an expert at
avoiding your foot.

Once your dog figures out your intention, he
will figure out a way to oppose it. Your job
is to never oppose your dog-then he will never
oppose you.

For instance, never put tension upon his lead
and he will never strain upon his lead. Praise
him even if you do not approve of his behavior.

Use sound distraction with praise to eliminate
undesirable behaviors as described in the Puppy
Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

It takes no more than four repetitions to
extinguish an undesirable behavior. This
can take as little as a few seconds. The
undesirable behavior will be extinguished
for good and your dog will have received
nothing but praise.

Since you have given him nothing to oppose,
his natural tendency to oppose will never be
stimulated.

It is so easy. It works like magic.

When you come to understand the principles of
canine behavior, training becomes incredibly
easy. If you oppose those principles of canine
behavior, then you may well battle with your
dog for the rest of his life.

-- Larry

           ----------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:14:10 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

Sound distraction, with praise, works for any
dog, regardless of breed, age, temperament or
past experience. It is not a trick or training
tip. It is a scientific principle that applies
to canines in general. If it did not work for
you, then you did not perform it correctly.

Remember, your sound distraction must be
accompanied immediately by praise lasting
from 5 to 15 seconds. During this 5 to 15
second period your dog will be thinking.

Observe them closely to see the telltale
signs that they are thinking.

The sound distraction must not originate from
the trainer twice in a row. The sound distraction
must alternately originate from the trainer and
then originate from the dog or beyond the dog.

That is why you need something that you can
toss that will not make any sound until it
lands. You begin praising as soon as it makes
its sound.

If the misbehavior continues after four
alternating attempts, then call your dog
to you and retry the sound distraction
with praise a little while later. This
prevents any battles with your dog.

Never use your sound distraction as an aversive
(to frighten or to intimidate)-that invalidates
the scientific principle upon which this method
is based. The praise is just as important as is
the sound distraction.

The scientific principle upon which the sound
distraction with praise method is based is the
same as that of Pavlov's conditioned reflex.

However, it has been proven that this sound
distraction system will condition a behavior
in dogs in less than half the number of attempts
as required by Pavlov's method.

Condition your dog to your praise by praising
them every time that they look at you.

If you desire a thinking dog, never use treats
for training because your dog's mind will focus
upon the food rather than upon his lesson.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End
Training Method to learn the entire theory
and application of these principles.

His system is based upon scientific principles
and it is logically consistent from start to finish.

Once you appreciate that it is in the nature
of a dog to oppose you then you will begin to
make rapid progress with your training. You
will then devise your training techniques so
as to avoid any opposition-physical or mental.

Do not let your dog detect any emotion that will
tell him that he is succeeding in opposing you.
In other words never let your dog feel that he
is opposing you, because if you do, he will
certainly frustrate you with continued opposition.

That is why it is so important to always praise
your dog. If you reveal to your dog that he is
not doing what you want him to do, then he will,
by his very nature, continue to oppose you.

If, however, you devise your training methods so
that your dog never knows that he is opposing you,
then you will make rapid progress.

For example, to teach a dog not to forge ahead
of you, simply reverse direction without notice
and praise-this is a training method that reveals
no opposition from you.

Another example: if your dog strains upon his
lead, praise him when his lead is slack. When
he hits the end of his lead, pull him back an
inch and then praise the slack lead.

Since it doesn't take long for a dog's natural
thigmotactic reflex to operate, don't pull back
for more than an instant and then immediately
praise his slack lead.

--Larry

                    -------------------

     And here's a few NORMAL dog lovers!:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.

Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:

http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

>  how effective are these electronic fences in
>  keeping a dog on a property????

Some run through it. Others get shocked and
become too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.

Just hides under a desk in the house.

           ------------------------------­­----

"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.

It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.

                 --------------------------

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing.  He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

            ========

   "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
   choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
   stern correction" --Janet Boss

   On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
   clicked their heels and said:

   > Does that include tone of voice?  Some tools are easier
   > to ban than others.

   yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up!  And I
   always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
   "honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
   --
   Janet B
   www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

       "Speech is a mirror of the soul:
          as a man speaks, so is he."
Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

            "We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
>> experiences is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-
mannered, or just plain ill.),

--Marshall

Subject: Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING
             On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)

26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001
Email: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice
but Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header
for many of us filter posts with this term.
The term indicates that the post is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years.

Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the
civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars
from whom I have learned much.

They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane
Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser,
Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos,
Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle
Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John
Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith,
Jane Webb, and Terri Willis.

*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG
POSTED CASE HISTORIES Of ACCUTE
CHRONIC INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS
an HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN
INNOCENT DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS
an LYIN AbHOWET IT.)

   Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
   Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
   University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee,
   WI 53201
   Office Phone: 414-229-6067/ Home Phone:
   414-332-8606
   der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

"If I am not for myself, who will be for me.
But if I am only for myself, what am I?"
_The Talmud_

       ------------------------------

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs. p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE, And Degrees,
or get the heel HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.

        "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
       news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...
         >
         > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         > > When you compare using sound and
         > > praise to solve a problem with using
         > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
         > > how can you criticize the use of sound?

         > There's nothing more to be said, then.
         > You've made up your mind.

         > But you've impressed me by mentioning
         > that you're a professor with 30 years of
         > experience.

         > So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         >> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
         >> will often make the dog either aggressive
         >> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
         >> to do.
         >
         > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
         > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
         >
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
         > doubt, please provide a quote (an
         > original quote, not from one of Jerry
         > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
         > shows a regular poster promoting or
         > using an abusive form of training.
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         > So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         >  What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
         >  which you have read so many.  While you're going
         >  through them, point out those which recommend
         >  shocking, and pinching, and beating.  Thank you.
         > --
         > -Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

         > Rocky wrote:
         > "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com> said in
         > rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         >
         > > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
         > > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
         > > is choking. It's never limited.
         >
         > So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
         > Thank you for your contribution.
         >-
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >

         From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
         Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
         Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

         Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

        > I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have,
        > Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
        > leash.

        Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
        thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
        others' dogs at agility trials or training.
        --
        --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

                         ---------------

         Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
         and dog, especially when the human didn't
         see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
         Rocky's a Dog.

         "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
         news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

         Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

         > Anybody else got bilingual dogs?

         Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
         only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
         it's reallyreally important that my dogs get away
         from something.

   "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
   Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
   Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It.  I Still
   Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
   Cat," Melanie Lee Chang *  mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu
   Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
   University of California, San Francisco
   http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

       From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
       Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
       Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day

       Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

       > One of the things that frustrates me the most about
       > agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
       > are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
       > corrected in any way.

       Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
       correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
       different.  Right now, he's just getting the
       confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.
       --
       --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.

(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)

While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.

The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

              BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

      From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
      Subject: Re: Leg Humper
      Date: 1999/09/14

      Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
      <37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>:

      > By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
      > that you are suggesting that the people knee the
      > dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
      > say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
      > criticism from people like me. That kind of crap
      > has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help
      > wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper
      > methods of dealing with behavior problems.

      Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
      up until this last paragraph.

      Why did you blow it?

      --Matt

      From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
      Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
      Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????

      Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

      > the only thing I remember learning from a spanking
      > was to run faster than my dad and NOT GET
      > CAUGHT.  so what does that say?

      I learned to put a comic book down the back of my
      pants.  And sometimes my parents pretended not to
      notice.  In retrospect,  that's pretty cool.
      --
      --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

         "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
         news:Xns92FE730764918australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

         > Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         >
         > > But he's the one producing the training
         > > MATTerial.

         > Ack.  You just gave him some moore ammunition.
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT

Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean

shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> you've just described elliott.  i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though.  while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.

Hmm.  You've got a point.  Rocky is dog-dominant, a surprise to almost
everyone - some of whom know him
very well.  I wonder how well Lucy reads dog?  If she
can't, she'd get some ugly surprises.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed

 A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
 won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog

... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!

         "dallygirl" <kwickwick@hotmail.com> said in
         rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

         > choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
         > cases causing more harm than good.

         Back at you with flat buckle collars.  These are an
         incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
         of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
         with both hands.

         It's a good thing that most of us are here because
        of dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
         --
         --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

                        BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing.  He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

            ========

   "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
   choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
   stern correction" --Janet Boss

   On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
   clicked their heels and said:

   > Does that include tone of voice?  Some tools are easier
   > to ban than others.

   yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up!  And I
   always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
   "honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
   --
   Janet B
   www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

   "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
    To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
    Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
    Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
   Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
   Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
   RAAF.

   "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
   A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
   Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
   Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
   He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang * mchang@lppi.ucsf.edu
   Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California, San
   Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

   captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
   Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
   You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
   The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
    Sound To The Dog."

   "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
   Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
   Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
   Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
   The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
   mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories.  The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

        Sally Hennessey

Nope.  No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

3 From: sighthounds & siberians
Date: Mon, Jun 12 2006 4:16 pm

montana wildhack wrote:
> On 2006-06-10 16:56:28 -0400, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
said:

> > Plus
> > she's easier to clean up when she

> I'm sorry to read that.

> Aside from the shedding, I hardly know how to act
>  since we have one almost 5 year old dog with no
> major health issues. It's really weird.

I dream of such weirdness.  Matty's death reduced the number of males
requiring belly bands for medical
reasons, as well as the number of dogs taking Previcox.

But Anna's feeding routines and medications are
really expensive and time-consuming.  On a good
note, she stopped eating canned food during the
last bout of aspiration pneumonia (#5, I think) and
we switched her to kibble (soaked until soggy, then
ground up with a mixer until it's sort of a paste, and
formed into balls).

*Much* cheaper, less messy when she inevitably
coughs it all over the vicinity and the person feeding,
higher in calories, and she really likes it, at least for
now.  I can't imagine what it would be like to never
chew anything crunchy again, poor dog.

Mustang Sally

"Janet Boss offered a pat on the back, commenting t
hat ultimately it wasn't Kate's decision.  Whose was it?
I asked. Why, it was Teena's, averred Janet.

Janet was in an exculpatory frame of mind because she
contributed to this travesty herself, by advising Kate to
repeat the aggression trigger (grooming) on a daily basis.

It's all in the archives.

Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
they like to use on their dogs.  Well, I've got an AC Delco
model that would be just right for Janet or Kate.  BZZZZzzt!
I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
house," Charlie.

Here's janet's PARTNER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

sinofabitch writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> > took posts from two different people,
> > took pieces of them out of context,

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

> > cobbled them together,

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

> > then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

> > and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

> > Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

> > The actual quote is misleading

That so?

> > when taken out of context,

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

> > and Jerry's faked "quote"

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

> > is downright meaningless.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

Here's Jerry's version

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

 Here's yours:

"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
       author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                      --Mike Dufort
               author of the zero selling book
               "CourteHOWES Canines"

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

            ================

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
 I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
 Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
 Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
 to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
 possibly get a good working dog by making them
 unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
 frosty dahl.

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.

   lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
   Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
   the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,  less tractable
   dogs may require you to progress to striking them
   more sharply

   Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
   the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
   Eventually, the dog will give in

   but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
   efforts to escaping the ear pinch

   You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
   instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
   and pinch the ear against that

   Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
   urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

   CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
   Right Hand,  As it catches on, try using the stick
   and no ear pinch.

   When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
   and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
   you are finished

   If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
   say "No! Hold!"

   (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
   the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
   it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

   "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
    professora gingold.

   terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
   something you twisted out of context, because you
   are full of bizarro manure."

       "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
       Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
       With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
       discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to
 it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
 if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar,"  Lynn K.

          "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                  <except when it is>

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
     necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

          "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                  <except when it is>

    "So what?  Whoever said that it's right to
    always not confront?  We sure can try, but
    a dog who knows a command and growls when
    given it is certainly being confrontational".
    You can't simply walk away and pretend it
    didn't happen or leave it for later work in
    every situation." Lynn K.

              --------------------

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

           ----------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

           ----------------

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily
~emily is a vivisectionist for a med research laboratory.

HOWEDY janet,

Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:

Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>, clicked their heels and said:
> > Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I beat dogs, choke
> > dogs, scream at dogs, etc?  Thanks for your clarification.
.
> responding to my own post, I had to go back and look at the original
> post, to remind myself what "we" are all accused of doing:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Beat the living crap out of?  hardly - no hitting exists

       "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
       professora gingold.

     "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
     wrote in message
     news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

     Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
     and i often call my little dog the turd, because
     he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
     would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
     matter of personality.

     Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
     step on him once. Seriously.

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."

Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.

Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:

http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

>  how effective are these electronic fences in
>  keeping a dog on a property????

Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.

Just hides under a desk in the house.

           ------------------------------­­----

"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.

It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.

                 --------------------------

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
       author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                      --Mike Dufort
               author of the zero selling book
               "CourteHOWES Canines"

Amy Dahl writes:

"From where I sit, there is a difference.  I haven't noticed
any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
their method on everyone, or calling others names because
they do not use the method.

I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
studied.

And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
number of methods.

Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.

Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?

First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
significant to dogs as it is to people.  Applied correctly,
Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
manipulation.  It is clear and definite, and the handler's
actions are always predictable.  The method is masterfully
designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
any way.  It places high demands of responsibility on the
trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
so it is not for the casual "dabbler."  When done well,very
few corrections are needed.

In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.

                      ----------------------------

YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?:

> diddy wrote:

>>  []
>> >>They just aren't my thing. I DO like working with soft dogs. And I
>> >>guess I've never met a soft Lab. They remind me of lumber wagons.

>> > Well, there are many such Labs, but they probably weren't field-bred.

> IME there are lots of soft Labs, and some of the recent
> field-bred dogs are among the worst.  In the 60's, when
> you worked with them, if I understand correctly, they
> were probably more consistently tough and resilient.  That's
> the traditional nature of the breed.

> Trainer Mike Lardy thinks we are getting the softer, more
> sensitive dogs today because training methods using modern
> e-collars are so much better and more gentle than they used
> to be, it doesn't take a tough dog to come through training
> in good shape.  I think it's a plausible argument.

> Doesn't fit the stereotype the ignorant have of e-collars.

> We still get a few that are happy and eager no
>  matter what we do to them.

> Amy Dahl
                 ----------------------

Of curse, those methods sometimes end in disaster:

"Nelson is definately the real deal," lynn k:

From:  Lynn Kosmakos
Date:  Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email:   Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@home.com>

Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR too bad to save.
> The dog's heart & soul become reflex reaction to it's treatment.

Lori, I sincerely wish that were true.  (the too bad to save part)

There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.

The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases quickly proves
that.

OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a single triggering
incident who cannot be saved.  I've got such a client right now,
a 9 month old GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.

He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson and a slew
of others, and has received nothing by loving care all his life.

His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and there
was no triggering event or medical cause.  As much as it breaks
my heart, the dog cannot be saved.

Lynn K.

        "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
        news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...
         >
         > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         > > When you compare using sound and
         > > praise to solve a problem with using
         > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
         > > how can you criticize the use of sound?

         > There's nothing more to be said, then.
         > You've made up your mind.

         > But you've impressed me by mentioning
         > that you're a professor with 30 years of
         > experience.

         > So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         >> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
         >> will often make the dog either aggressive
         >> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
         >> to do.
         >
         > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
         > No matter what Jerry Howe states.