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raw eggs for 2 week old kittens?

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Laurie - 02 Sep 2007 03:35 GMT
I am bottle feeding 2 orphaned kittens and I made a recipe of "glop"
which contains gelatine, evaporated milk, karo syrup, yogurt, vitamins,
mayonnaise, acidopholis, and 2 raw egg yolks.  This mixture does NOT get
cooked.  It's somewhat warm when you add the raw egg yolks because you
start with boiling water to dissolve the gelatin.  Can't these raw eggs
make these babies sick?  Does anyone have experience with this mixture?
I did not make up this recipe, it was passed along to me from a cat
breeder.  Thanks everyone.
Sharon Too - 02 Sep 2007 04:08 GMT
>I am bottle feeding 2 orphaned kittens and I made a recipe of "glop"
> which contains gelatine, evaporated milk, karo syrup, yogurt, vitamins,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I did not make up this recipe, it was passed along to me from a cat
> breeder.

That's an awful lot of ingredients for such an immature digestive system.
Why not go to a pet store or vet and get KRM (kitten replacement milk)? If
you do, it's easier to feed with a syringe instead of the latex nipple that
comes with it.
silvercelt - 02 Sep 2007 18:32 GMT
> >I am bottle feeding 2 orphaned kittens and I made a recipe of "glop"
> > which contains gelatine, evaporated milk, karo syrup, yogurt, vitamins,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> you do, it's easier to feed with a syringe instead of the latex nipple that
> comes with it.

erm raw eggs bad
Laurie - 02 Sep 2007 22:33 GMT
> > >I am bottle feeding 2 orphaned kittens and I made a recipe of "glop"
> > > which contains gelatine, evaporated milk, karo syrup, yogurt, vitamins,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> erm raw eggs bad

    I just went looking at a bunch of cat-related websites and you'd be
surprised how many people recommend this recipe (including the raw
egg-yolks) and others very much like it.  Maybe cats and kittens have
something in their stomachs that make them able to handle raw eggs
whereas humans do not.  I was very worried at first when I posted my
original message but now I'm beginning to wonder if I was worrying for
nothing.
John Hasler - 03 Sep 2007 00:53 GMT
> Maybe cats and kittens have something in their stomachs that make them
> able to handle raw eggs whereas humans do not.

The stomachs of humans are fully capable of handling raw eggs.  Nervous
Nelly safety fanatics warn against eating raw eggs because there is a very
small[1] risk of contracting a salmonella infection.

> I was very worried at first when I posted my original message but now I'm
> beginning to wonder if I was worrying for nothing.

You were.

[1] Slightly larger with "free range" eggs.
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buglady - 03 Sep 2007 12:53 GMT
Maybe cats and kittens have
> something in their stomachs that make them able to handle raw eggs
> whereas humans do not.

........we all have something in our stomachs that can protect against
Salmonella.........it's called stomach acid.  Normal acidity of the stomach
kills off Salmonella - cats, dogs, people.......unless you eat a gigantic
meal and pop a Pepcid after it.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Kay Lancaster - 03 Sep 2007 03:42 GMT
There are different risks for Salmonella in shell eggs
in various areas of the country... the NE was particularly
bad for awhile, but I don't know the current situation.
In 2001, there were 118,000 human cases of Salmonella
enteridis in the US believed to be traceable to eggs.
That's enough of a risk for me to avoid raw egg for
handfed kittens.

Kay
buglady - 03 Sep 2007 12:53 GMT
> In 2001, there were 118,000 human cases of Salmonella
> enteridis in the US believed to be traceable to eggs.
> That's enough of a risk for me to avoid raw egg for
> handfed kittens.

.........In 2001 there were 284,796,887  people in the US.  So that's
.00041% chance of getting Salmonella from raw eggs.

In 2001 there were 6,323,000 automobile traffic crashes in the USA.  That's
a .02% chance of being in a crash.  There were 3,075,000 injured or killed.
That's .011% of the population.

(Traffic Safety Facts Annual Report 2001)
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-30/ncsa/AvailInf.html

Sounds like it's more dangerous to drive a car than eat a raw egg in your
nog!  But of course it depends on driver competence, the conditions,
impairment from alcohol/poor vision, freeway or rural miles, etc.  Sickness
from food also has important variables that are never mentioned.  Is the
person immune compromised, on steroids or eating acid reducers with every
meal?  Until the CDC asks and answers these questions, the statistics are
only a brief view of what is really going on.

It's all about perceived risk.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Kay Lancaster - 03 Sep 2007 22:42 GMT
> "Kay Lancaster" <kay@hub.fern.com> wrote in message
>> That's enough of a risk for me to avoid raw egg for
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> meal?  Until the CDC asks and answers these questions, the statistics are
> only a brief view of what is really going on.

Ah, but it's so easy to hold an egg at 140oF for 3.5 minutes*, or
buy shell-pasteurized eggs.

Why not reduce spend the extra effort on an animal with an immature
immune system?

*See Corriher's book "Cookwise" for more details.

Kay, who's had Salmonella thankyouverymuchneveragainplease
 
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