Dog allergies
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Peetie Wheatstraw - 13 Sep 2007 01:56 GMT Hello and regards,
Ten yr-old Brittany pointing-spaniel, otherwise very healthy, very feisty.
She is red/raw, on and around her paws. Licking and chewing. Also around her nose and her breast. Above the paws on back of legs is probably the worst.
Have been over the issue with the vet over the years. She currently is getting 10 mg prednisone every other day. Also on salmon oil for 6 months or so. Doesn't seem to be much helping.
She is OK Jan. to April. Itching, etc peaks by Aug. then slowly declines.
I fed Eukanuba until the recalls last spring. Don't see how it could be food related. Currently on Canidae.
Not sure what else I can do. She is stoical and fabulously good-natured, but it obviously bothers her a bunch (hence myself as well).
Anything I should be investigating? I can't afford extensive shot-in-the-dark fishing-expedition type testing by the vet.
Your advice much appreciated.
Peetie
Many Dogs (flick) - 13 Sep 2007 05:31 GMT > Hello and regards, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Your advice much appreciated. Sounds like she might have a contact allergy. Might be allergic to something growing where she walks. Also, are you using anything in the house like scented powder for the carpet? I'd quit that.
If she were my dog, I'd keep her out of tall weeds and try to keep her on one type of vegetation - lawn grass, say - and see if that helps.
Ask the vet about giving her Benadryl for a couple weeks, see if it lessens the symptoms. Benadryl is a fairly benign med, but I am not sure about giving it with prednisone, so ASK YOUR VET please.
flick 100785
Peetie Wheatstraw - 13 Sep 2007 15:54 GMT --snip--
>Sounds like she might have a contact allergy. Might be allergic to >something growing where she walks. Also, are you using anything in the >house like scented powder for the carpet? I'd quit that. No rug powder.
>If she were my dog, I'd keep her out of tall weeds and try to keep her on >one type of vegetation - lawn grass, say - and see if that helps. I think you've hit on something. Right under my silly nose.
Mea Culpa.
I walk her fairly often. We are urban, but there are little plots untended, covered with ivy, wooded, or just tall grass. Because she is so highly attuned to hunting (we hunt with our eyes), I let her sniff thru all that stuff: she points/flushes rabbits, etc.
Hate to do it (she LIVES to hunt), but I guess I'll have to curtail her "hunting", at least for a trial period.
>Ask the vet about giving her Benadryl for a couple weeks, see if it lessens >the symptoms. Benadryl is a fairly benign med, but I am not sure about >giving it with prednisone, so ASK YOUR VET please. I can't say it's not helping at all, but I'm thinking about discontinuing prednisone. Seems it helped a lot more in years past.
Much thanks.
Peetie
dolysods@yahoo.com - 13 Sep 2007 19:34 GMT You can try wiping her down with baby wipes after every time she is out in the weeds/grass. It was recommended for me to do to dexter.. but it was a real pain when they would want to go out every 20-30 minutes. He is allergic to most grasses, on hills venison and potato and only fruit/veggie treats. His feet and right leg are pretty bad right now. I've been using some genesis spray on it too.
good luck..
On Sep 13, 10:54 am, Peetie Wheatstraw <peetie.wheatst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> --snip-- > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Peetie Peetie Wheatstraw - 14 Sep 2007 00:08 GMT >You can try wiping her down with baby wipes after every time she is >out in the weeds/grass. It was recommended for me to do to dexter.. >but it was a real pain when they would want to go out every 20-30 >minutes. He is allergic to most grasses, Ouch!
>on hills venison and potato >and only fruit/veggie treats. His feet and right leg are pretty bad >right now. I've been using some genesis spray on it too. Sounds like yours may be even worse than mine.
I was using antibiotic ointment last year. May be again, soon.
I just wiped her schnoz and bathed her in oatmeal shampoo. Crated her until dry, she's been in the back yard (close cropped grass) for maybe a minute. And she's itching/ licking/biting like crazy. Aaaargh!
For a week, I'll keep her out of high grass etc anyway. But it doesn't look good unless I can find an antihistamine that her skin condition responds to.
Thanks, Peetie
>good luck.. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Peetie Kay Lancaster - 13 Sep 2007 10:42 GMT > Anything I should be investigating? I can't afford extensive > shot-in-the-dark fishing-expedition type testing by the vet. FWIW, my vets think the blood tests for food allergens are not accurate enough to be useful, but the environmental allergen tests are. Our lab is supposed to be allergic to our cats, and sundry other bits and pieces of plants and mites that I suspect may be correct.
At any rate, he's been on allergy shots this summer and seems to be doing well. He also gets generic Benedryl, which has helped until the shots seemed to "kick in". He's back on the generic Benedryl at the moment, as one of the identified allergens is blooming right now.
Certainly the shots seem to have made more difference to him than the trial of Hills ultra-low-allergen diet did. Can't see that the diphenhydramine has affected his energy level at all, either, and I pay less than a cent each for the pills. Possibly worth asking about the diphenhydramine?
Charles Lavin - 19 Sep 2007 07:17 GMT (See my previous reply farther up.)
The reason we suffered so much with this was that our vet, citing the odds, wanted to rule out food allergies and other such reactions for which accurate blood tests don't exist. He wanted to avoid the expense of allergy testing if the dog was allergic to, say, corn -- which a blood test won't accurately pick up.
When we lived on the beach, and the dog swam and was at least hosed down several times a week, it was easy to assume that the change of diet was helping -- even though the vet also said that, to be effective, the change of diet has to continue for several months.
But we weren't getting the consistent results we were expecting. And then the vet started to wonder about flea allergies, because on at least two occasions while he was examining the dog he found a flea. (Down here, fleas are pretty impossible to avoid, too ...)
We didn't start to see a clear picture until my Lab mix blew out his knee and I was told to keep him off the beach. That essentially kept both of them off the beach. Then we moved inland. The dog started getting worse, but since he was also off special diets we weren't sure what happened. Then we had him on cortisone shots or oral pred because he was really destroying himself. One day I finally told the vet to draw the blood for the allergy tests, and he told me that he couldn't because the dog was on cortisone. Timing this properly became a big hassle -- those final three weeks before the blood was drawn were looooooong ones ...
One thing's for sure -- The allergy tests were cheaper than months and months and months and months and MONTHS of vet visits, special foods, cortisone shots, prednisone, Benadryl, antibiotics (he got several skin infections during this ordeal), antacids and Advil (for me), etc ...
Chuck
>> Anything I should be investigating? I can't afford extensive >> shot-in-the-dark fishing-expedition type testing by the vet. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > has affected his energy level at all, either, and I pay less than a cent > each for the pills. Possibly worth asking about the diphenhydramine? Peetie Wheatstraw - 19 Sep 2007 15:36 GMT >(See my previous reply farther up.) > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >cortisone shots, prednisone, Benadryl, antibiotics (he got several skin >infections during this ordeal), antacids and Advil (for me), etc ... Thanks for your response.
If you don't mind my asking ... how much -did- the allergy tests cost?
If mine is allergic to grass, I can't pave the back yard ...
Peetie
>>> Anything I should be investigating? I can't afford extensive >>> shot-in-the-dark fishing-expedition type testing by the vet. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> has affected his energy level at all, either, and I pay less than a cent >> each for the pills. Possibly worth asking about the diphenhydramine? Charles Lavin - 19 Sep 2007 06:58 GMT Hi --
I fought with a similar situation with my Shepherd/Husky mix for years. He was fine; he was chewing his fur off; he was red and scaly; he was fine; he was one big itch; he was fine; etc. etc.
Food allergies were theorized. So we changed his diet. Several times. The problem was blamed on a flea allergy, so we waged Global Thermonuclear War on fleas (well above and beyond the normal flea controls we already had in effect). He was periodically shot up with cortisone. I have Benadryl on hand at all times. He was put on prednisone.
I finally relented and had a full allergy test run on the dog. It wasn't easy, since the dog has to be off of pred and similar drugs for several weeks before the test, and we kept getting the timing off.
Turns out that the dog is allergic to "most molds" and several types of dust mite -- two classes of allergens that cannot be avoided in South Florida.
So now ...? Frequent vacuuming. Heavy-duty filters on the air conditioner. Frequent swimming and bathing (not as easy to do since we moved away from the beach a few years back). His bed gets thrown in the washer weekly (in addition to being vacuumed daily). The dog's on allergy shots (which I have to administer). It's too early to tell whether he's getting better. But he's been off the pred for several months, and he's not getting worse.
Your dog seems to be allergic to something she's coming in contact with -- when she sits, walks, lies down ... You should consider getting her tested for allergies. If nothing else, it finally answers the question about what's causing the problem, and it's cheaper and quicker than all the trial-and-error "fixes."
Maybe it's because of where we live, but the allergy test report I got was extremely comprehensive. It included a section listing a slew of grasses and such, in addition to molds, mites, fleas and other bugs, and many more environmental allergens. Once it pinpointed the problem, I didn't have to worry about whether to let the dog run and cavort through the grassy fields, or sniff around the dunes, etc. In my case, the only way I can get away from what he's allergic to is to move to Arizona or Nevada ...
HTH Chuck
> Hello and regards, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Peetie Kay Lancaster - 19 Sep 2007 16:42 GMT > So now ...? Frequent vacuuming. Heavy-duty filters on the air conditioner. > Frequent swimming and bathing (not as easy to do since we moved away from > the beach a few years back). His bed gets thrown in the washer weekly (in Some dogs can be talked into standing in the shower for a couple of minutes a day -- just long enough to rinse some allergens out of the coat with plain water. Even mopping down the dog with a wet towel can help. Am I ever glad I taught ours the "shower!" command when he was a mere pup. <g>
Seriously,try just wiping the dog down or rinsing with plain water every day. When I (an allergic human) get a sneezing and allergy fit, it's usually time to my hair again, even if I just washed it two hours before. Same thing seems to help the dog.
Charles Lavin - 21 Sep 2007 17:35 GMT Thanks for the tip.
The shower trick is not workable in this house. The downstairs bathroom has a Roman tub with very high sides and glass doors that get in the way. And the upstairs bathroom is, well, upstairs ... There's a lot of (mostly carpeted) real estate between there and the front or back doors! Plus, it also has a tub.
When we lived on the beach, my hall bathroom had a shower stall. I'd give the dogs a bath in there, then encourage them to shake off the water inside the shower. Because once they stepped out, shaking was not allowed! :-) I'd wrap them in towels, then lead them down the hall and through the guest room to the balcony. They'd never make it all the way out to the balcony without shaking! As soon as their front halves got out to the balcony, I'd be left with an exiting rear half spraying water all over the room.
Fortunately, here I have a yard with a hose. I am hosing them down, usually before we go on our afternoon walk, to help them tackle the heat a bit better.
Thanks again! Chuck
>> So now ...? Frequent vacuuming. Heavy-duty filters on the air >> conditioner. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > it's usually time to my hair again, even if I just washed it > two hours before. Same thing seems to help the dog.
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