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Margaret - 12 Oct 2007 23:09 GMT
I would appreciate any discussion of the treatment of red mange in a 15 year
old dog.
My vet has proposed either a series of dips or daily medication for a period
of several weeks/months.  Apparently the oral meds don't taste very good and
this is a dog that is already not eating well. I would like the most
efficient treatment since she is developing secondary skin infections
related to this problem.

Thank you.
Margaret
buglady - 13 Oct 2007 13:13 GMT
> I would appreciate any discussion of the treatment of red mange in a 15 year
> old dog.
> My vet has proposed either a series of dips or daily medication for a period
> of several weeks/months.

.......Red mange is demodex mite.  Have they actually found some in a skin
scraping?  Are they sure there's no fungal infection also?  Certainly if it
is sarcoptic and not demodex, treatment would be easier - Lyme dips (totally
nontoxic) would work.  This dip does not work on demodex, but would take
care of both sarcoptic and fungal infections.

...........The med that taste terrible is ivermectin.  Apparently it doesn't
always work either.  And shouldn't be given to collie dogs.  I would
absolutely NOT dip a 15 yr old dog.  Has your pup had bloodwork run to see
if there's anything else going on?  Sounds like she has a compromised immune
system which has allowed the always present mite to get out of control.
Without addressing the whole body I doubt you'll ever get a handle on it.
I'd certainly add some eggs, sardines, yogurt to her food and even
supplement with EFAs + vit E (nourishes skin), and Vit C (acts as
anti-histamine) and maybe a B50 complex.

Although this is pricey, it looks like the best possibility for an elderly
dog as it's not toxic.  Don't know how it tastes though!
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_demodectic_mange.html
Interceptor (active ingredient: Milbemycin oxime)

http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dogdmite.html#Demodex%20-%20Mitaban%20is%20serio
us%20medicine
Amitraz (Mitaban Rx) is a very toxic medication.

A study you may want to look at.  Go to PubMed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez  and enter this number in search
box 16228281:
Evaluation of the efficacy and safety of imidacloprid 10% plus moxidectin
2.5% spot-on in the treatment of generalized demodicosis in dogs: results of
a European field study.

......there are more studies on the right under related links to look at.

All the best to you and your elderly pup
buglady
take out the dog before replying
Margaret - 13 Oct 2007 14:20 GMT
.......Red mange is demodex mite.  Have they actually found some in a skin
> scraping?
Yes
Are they sure there's no fungal infection also?
He gave me an antibiotic because she had some infection under her chin--it looked like an ugly hot spot.
 Certainly if it
> is sarcoptic and not demodex, treatment would be easier - Lyme dips (totally
> nontoxic) would work.  This dip does not work on demodex, but would take
> care of both sarcoptic and fungal infections.
>
> ...........The med that taste terrible is ivermectin.
That's what I thought-vet said it's used for cattle.
Apparently it doesn't
> always work either.  And shouldn't be given to collie dogs.  I would
> absolutely NOT dip a 15 yr old dog.  Has your pup had bloodwork run to see
> if there's anything else going on?
She had blood work in April which looked ok and it was repeated this week and the only thing vet commented on was 'albumen is a little low"  Her thyroid level is now in normal range.
Sounds like she has a compromised immune
> system which has allowed the always present mite to get out of control.
Yes.  I guess that could be age related?
> Without addressing the whole body I doubt you'll ever get a handle on it.
> I'd certainly add some eggs, sardines, yogurt to her food and even
> supplement with EFAs + vit E (nourishes skin), and Vit C (acts as
> anti-histamine) and maybe a B50 complex.
About the only thing she'll eat reliably is scrambled egg with cheese (with a little kibble) for breakfast.
Will get some supplements.  She used to eat yogurt but has gotten very picky of late.
> Although this is pricey, it looks like the best possibility for an elderly
> dog as it's not toxic.  Don't know how it tastes though!
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

Thank you for your thorough comments and advice!!
Margaret
buglady - 14 Oct 2007 02:14 GMT
She had blood work in April which looked ok and it was repeated this week
and the only thing vet commented on was 'albumen is a little low"  Her
thyroid level is now in normal range.

........it was low before?  Just T3 and  T4 tested?  Is she on thyroid meds?
Wonder if lbumen might be low due to low protein intake.

Sounds like she has a compromised immune
> system which has allowed the always present mite to get out of control.
Yes.  I guess that could be age related?

.......maybe.  Wonder if she's in pain at all from arthritis - how are her
joints?

>About the only thing she'll eat reliably is scrambled egg with cheese (with a little kibble) for breakfast.
>Will get some supplements.  She used to eat yogurt but has gotten very picky of late.

......have you tried some cooked chicken breast?  There's some appetite
stimulants that I can't remember the name of that are not steroids.  I know
the owner of this site has a 16 yr old sharpei who went through a bout of
lack of appetite.  She may mention it somewhere:  www.dogaware.com

buglady
take out the dog before replying
 
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