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Interpreting X-Rays --- Help with the basics

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Dale Atkin - 17 Jan 2008 05:03 GMT
So I figured given that I had some time to really carefully look over
Erwin's X-Rays in private (I took them home to see if I could come up with a
good way to get them in to a digital format), it might be a good time to
really carefully examine them and basically 'get my bearings' somewhat on
generally viewing and interpreting X-Rays (it always seems somewhat like a
dark art when the vets at the clinic explain these things to me...except
when its blatently obvious).

So I'm going over Erwin's X-Rays with my anatomy textbook in hand trying
identify everything. There are a few bits that I'm having trouble with.

1. in http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/rh.JPG What's the little white spot
just south of the tibia? Also, the black line distal to the patella...what
is it?

I figure once I get a handle on 'normal' I can start to see the abnormal
bits better.

2. Also, looking at http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/lelbowlat.JPG and
http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/relbowlat.JPG . The left is the 'ouchy' one,
the right is the 'good' one. What would you pick up on as being a problem?
(http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/belbows.JPG seems much clearer to me, but I
think I can see the problems in the other one too).

Dale
Sandy, DVM - 17 Jan 2008 22:04 GMT
> 1. in http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/rh.JPG What's the little white spot
> just south of the tibia? Also, the black line distal to the patella...what
> is it?
>  
The white spot appears to be as dense as bone, which I would not expect.
The radiograph (or is it your picture?) is quite blurry, though. If it's
the radiograph, then the dog was moving when the radiograph was being
taken. This can make things a little harder to identify. The spot looks
like it's just outside of the dog's leg, which would make it either
something on the fur or something on the radiograph plate. If it's just
under the skin (you should be able to feel it) then the most typical
cause for something like this is a BB or a piece of shotgun shot. In
those cases, the object should have a density of metal, which I wouldn't
say your spot has, although it is fuzzy so that may affect that
determination.

I'm not sure about the black line to which you refer. Is there a chance
that's the patellar tendon running from the distal patella to the tibial
tuberosity?
> 2. Also, looking at http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/lelbowlat.JPG and
> http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/relbowlat.JPG . The left is the 'ouchy' one,
> the right is the 'good' one. What would you pick up on as being a problem?
> (http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/belbows.JPG seems much clearer to me, but I
> think I can see the problems in the other one too).
>  
On the lateral view of the left elbow you can see osteophytes on the
anterior aspect of the proximal radius ("fluffiness" in the inner angle
created by the upper and lower parts of the arm) and osteophytes on the
posterior aspect of the distal humerus (fluffiness on the outer angle to
the left of the point of the elbow).

Note the significant motion artifacts in the radiograph of the right
elbow. Also note the human phalangeal bones in this radiograph. Hint,
use full gloves or at least make sure your fingers are fully under the
lead with those hand shields.

The anterioposterior (AP) view of both elbows shows the osteophytes
quite readily on the medial aspect of the joint. They're on the medial
humeral epicondyle and the medial ulna. Erwin most likely has a
fragmented coronoid process, a type of elbow dysplasia, but I guess you
know that already. Also note on this view, the same type of artifact
seen in the lateral stifle film. On this film it's actually 3 pieces and
they're medial to the left elbow. Perhaps a project in your spare time
is to clean the cassettes. Clean the outside really well and open the
cassettes to clean the white portions of the cassettes that the film
lies between when it's closed. If these cassettes are really old, they
may be damaged and the artifacts will show up on all films.

The most important thing to learn when viewing radiographs is to know
what's normal. Until that it secure in your brain, the rest will be
confusing. You must be able to differentiate normal from abnormal,
abnormal from artifact and know what changes are present in the entire
film which may hinder your seeing a particular abnormality.

Good luck,

Sandy, DVM
Dale Atkin - 18 Jan 2008 01:08 GMT
Thanks, I'm still digesting everything you said... It may take me a little
while. In the meantime I've interspersed a few comments where I can.

>> 1. in http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/rh.JPG What's the little white spot
>> just south of the tibia? Also, the black line distal to the
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> the radiograph, then the dog was moving when the radiograph was being
> taken.

Its probably my picture, rather than the actual radiograph. He was pretty
well tranq'ed at the time the pictures were taken.  Also note that this
isn't necessarily to scale as its taken at an angle looking up.

> This can make things a little harder to identify. The spot looks like it's
> just outside of the dog's leg, which would make it either something on the
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> have a density of metal, which I wouldn't say your spot has, although it
> is fuzzy so that may affect that determination.

Definitely *not* a BB or piece of shotgun shot. I've had him since he was a
baby, and he's never been away from me for more than about 24 hours since
the day I got him. I'll try and have a peak at the original on Saturday, and
make sure its not just my picture.

> I'm not sure about the black line to which you refer. Is there a chance
> that's the patellar tendon running from the distal patella to the tibial
> tuberosity?

I've uploaded a pic with the black line circled...
http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/darkline.JPG

>> 2. Also, looking at http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/lelbowlat.JPG and
>> http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/relbowlat.JPG . The left is the 'ouchy'
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> anterior aspect of the proximal radius ("fluffiness" in the inner angle
> created by the upper and lower parts of the arm)

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if I was imagining it or not.

> and osteophytes on the posterior aspect of the distal humerus (fluffiness
> on the outer angle to the left of the point of the elbow).

I'd missed that, but I *think* I see it now.

> Note the significant motion artifacts in the radiograph of the right
> elbow. Also note the human phalangeal bones in this radiograph. Hint, use
> full gloves or at least make sure your fingers are fully under the lead
> with those hand shields.

:) not my hands, honest. One of the techs took this picture.

> The anterioposterior (AP) view of both elbows shows the osteophytes quite
> readily on the medial aspect of the joint. They're on the medial humeral
> epicondyle and the medial ulna. Erwin most likely has a fragmented
> coronoid process, a type of elbow dysplasia, but I guess you know that
> already.
I'm having a hard time seeing the changes on the right elbow, but I'll
squint really hard and keep trying.

That was the same conclusion they came to... my poor boy. He's on all kinds
of stuff right now to help. Cartrophen injections spaced at 10 days apart, a
joint supplement (CT Support), Meloxicam pills as needed.

> Also note on this view, the same type of artifact seen in the lateral
> stifle film. On this film it's actually 3 pieces and they're medial to the
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>
> Good luck,

Thanks I'm sure a lot will come with experience... which is exactly what I'm
trying to get.

Dale

> Sandy, DVM
Sandy, DVM - 19 Jan 2008 01:32 GMT
I think his right elbow looks good. Be aware, though, that elbow
dysplasia is often bilateral, but not always as severe on both sides.

Sandy, DVM

> I'm having a hard time seeing the changes on the right elbow, but I'll
> squint really hard and keep trying.
Cynthia C - 18 Jan 2008 01:57 GMT
Hi Dale,
    There is a faint black line beneath the proximal tibia within the
muscles.  It extends up toward the small sesamoid bones.  This is a
characteristic finding when there is joint capsule swelling due to a
ruptured cruciate ligament.  I believe the black line you are referring to
is an angular view of the trochlear groove and a normal finding.  The white
dot near the midshaft tibia appears to be an artifact.

Ladyvet
> So I figured given that I had some time to really carefully look over
> Erwin's X-Rays in private (I took them home to see if I could come up with
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>
> Dale
Dale Atkin - 18 Jan 2008 03:17 GMT
> Hi Dale,
>     There is a faint black line beneath the proximal tibia within the
> muscles.  It extends up toward the small sesamoid bones.  This is a
> characteristic finding when there is joint capsule swelling due to a
> ruptured cruciate ligament.

Is this the line you're refering to?
http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/line2.JPG
His cruciate is very slightly injured, so you're interpretation is certainly
correct. (actually he seems to be getting worse, which is not a good thing).

> I believe the black line you are referring to is an angular view of the
> trochlear groove and a normal finding.

Is this the dark line you're looking at
http://www.ibycus.com/nntppics/darkline.JPG . I'm sure its normal, I just
can't figure out what it is.

> The white dot near the midshaft tibia appears to be an artifact.

Must be, but it sure was confusing for me, for the life of me I couldn't
figure out what it would be in that position. (thought I must have been on
mars or something when they covered that in lecture :) ). I'm glad I'm not
totally insane :).

Dale
Cynthia C - 18 Jan 2008 20:45 GMT
Hi Dale,
    Both of the lines you outlined and circled are the ones I was talking
about.  A boarded surgeon taught me to look for the line indicating joint
swelling and cruciate rupture.  Can you palpate an anterior drawer movement
in his stifle?

Ladyvet

>> Hi Dale,
>>     There is a faint black line beneath the proximal tibia within the
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>
> Dale
Dale Atkin - 19 Jan 2008 04:50 GMT
> Hi Dale,
>     Both of the lines you outlined and circled are the ones I was talking
> about.  A boarded surgeon taught me to look for the line indicating joint
> swelling and cruciate rupture.

Interesting. I don't think the vets who looked at him saw this (if they did,
they didn't tell me that they had seen it)

>Can you palpate an anterior drawer movement in his stifle?

I can't, but there apparently is one. The one vet who looked at him wasn't
totally sure if he could feel it or not, then called over the other vet who
was there, and they both agreed that it was there, but very slight.

Dale
 
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