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Based upon toxicological studies, a dog suffering from
liver, kidney, thyroid, adrenal, spleen, lung, brain or
gonadal conditions could experience heightened states
of chronic diseases, with the potential for development
of cancer, when spot-on flea preparations are used.

Permethrin is linked to malignant liver and lung tumors
and autoimmune system disease, and at very low levels
suppresses the immune system. Thyroid lesions have
developed in laboratory studies in dogs during imidacloprid
tests.

Further studies are necessary to understand the
possibilities of malignancy. Thyroid cancer has
been linked to fipronil, according to the EPA.
The data from the metabolism and chronic toxicity
studies for fipronil indicate that " . . . this is a
persistent chemical and has the potential for
nervous system and thyroid toxicity after
long-term exposure at low levels," according
to Dr. Dobozy.
In the Journal of Pesticide Reform, author Caroline Cox
cites studies that show thyroid sensitivity to imidacloprid
can result in thyroid lesions, as well as increased incidences
of miscarriages, mutagenic (DNA damage) abnormalities,
and abnormal skeletons in animal studies. In addition, one
metabolite (breakdown of the chemical into new chemical
compounds during the metabolism process in the body) of
imidacloprid appears to be far more toxic to mammals than
the imidacloprid itself.

General risk factors

Of course, not all dogs exhibit immediately noticeable
symptoms when dosed with a commercial spot-on flea
product. Adult animals and those in the peak of health
are less likely to show immediate signs compared to
animals that are young, old, or suffering from chronic
disease. Animals with a heightened sensitivity to
chemicals or with exposures from multiple sources
such as a flea collar; other dips, sprays, dust, or flea
bombs; yard pesticides; and house termite extermination,
are most likely to react.

The cumulative and synergistic impacts of pesticides
can take a heavy toll on animals. Dr. Jerry Blondell,
of the US EPA Office of Pesticides, has indicated
clearly "not to use pesticides on the old, the sick, or
the young." While some of the literature for the spot-
on products does discourage this usage, many dog
guardians and veterinarians overlook or disregard
these written precautions.

Although the number of dogs reported to react to these
products may seem small, this does not suggest the
overall impact is small. First, spot-on products are
relatively new, and many problems are cumulative.

Second, reactivity to chemicals in a population is
similar to other population statistics and is represented
by a bell-shaped curve. In other words, at one end of
the spectrum are sensitive individuals, and at the opposite
end are resistant individuals; these groups are relatively
small compared to the vast middle group, who show
varying degrees of susceptibility - but who are all
susceptible.

Thus the sensitive group - dogs who have displayed
signs of toxicity - happen to be the sentinels for the
younger, healthier ones who will eventually be affected;
it's just a matter of time.

Safe alternatives

Integrated pest management (IPM) is a nontoxic
approach used to eradicate any insect infestation.
Simply, it is a way of thinking about how to preserve
the quality of life on this planet and within the earth's
stratosphere - of understanding not only the damages of
the pesticide to all species and the environment, but also
understanding the consequences of insect resistance to
the constant parade of new, more sophisticated, and
perhaps more toxic pesticide formulas.

The IPM process was initially designed to safeguard all
species, including the environment, from the ravages of
pesticides.

18 | FEBRUARY 2002 Copyright© 2002, Belvoir
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BY KATHLEEN DUDLEY
Are "Spot-On" Flea Killers Safe?

Absolutely not, says our author, despite what the commercials say.

Tempting as it may be to simplistically consider
fleas  as horrible insects, the bane of dogs everywhere,
poisoning your dog in a vain attempt to wipe fleas out
of existence doesn't really make sense.

Even though more than half a billion dollars annually
are spent on products that kill fleas in that vain pursuit.
Of course fleas can make dogs (and everyone else in the
household) perfectly miserable.

But it's not as if using toxic flea killing chemicals is
the only way to control fleas. When we attempt to get
rid of our dogs' fleas by utilizing chemicals that are
toxic to the brain and nervous system, that may disrupt
hormone (endocrine) systems, and that cause cancer,
it's sort of like burning the house down to get rid of
ants - effective, sure, but what are you left with?

In the next issue of WDJ, we will describe effective,
nontoxic methods of flea control. No dogs (or any
other members of the household) will get sick from
these methods, and no dogs (or any other members
of the household) will die from them. In contrast,
dogs do get sick and die from the toxic chemicals
we will describe in this article.

New products not safer

All pesticides pose some degree of health risk to
humans and animals. Despite advertising claims
to the contrary, both over the counter and veterinarian-
prescribed flea killing topical treatments are pesticides
that enter our dogs' internal organs (livers, kidneys),
move into their intestinal tracts, and are eventually
eliminated in their feces and urine. Not only that,
but the humans and other household animals who
closely interact with dogs who have been treated with
these chemicals can be affected by the toxins.

What happens to the health of all exposed individuals
during this systemic absorption and filtration process
varies from animal to animal, but the laboratory and
field trial results clearly indicate toxicity on the chronic
and acute levels.

Until recently, foggers, flea collars, exposed. We
cannot make informed individual decisions on the
acceptability of those exposures, a basic element
in the maintenance and protection of our own health."

Spitzer adds, "The requirements for marketing a new
product fall considerably short of providing safety for
our animal and human families."

Active and inert ingredients

To fully understand the risks associated with any of
these products, it is important to understand the various
components in a flea product, or any chemical product
that you may buy, for that matter.

Like other chemical products, all flea products are
made up of "active" and "inert" ingredients; strangely,
the actual definitions of those phrases are very different
from what they seem to connote.

In the case of fleakilling chemicals, the "active"
ingredient does, in fact, target and kill fleas - but
some of the "inert" ingredients are poisons, too.

While the word "inert" suggests benign activity
and even connotes safety in the minds of many
consumers, legally, it simply means added
substances that are not the registered "active" ingredient.

This is important because most people assume that
only the "active" ingredient in a chemical CONSUMER
ALERT powders, sprays, shampoos, and dips containing
organophosphates (chlorpyrifos, malathion, diazinon),
pyrethrins, synthetic pyrethroids, and carbamates, were
the cutting-edge solutions to our flea problems.

They were effective, but unfortunately, they also caused
disease and sometimes death. Given enough time, most
pesticides eventually cause enough human and animal
injuries that they are identified as hazards and are removed
from the market.

While the newest flea products - socalled "spot-on"
liquids that are applied monthly to a dog's skin - are
being marketed aggressively by the manufacturers
and veterinarians and represented as safe alternatives
to their predecessors, the fact is, they are simply newer.

All the "active" ingredients in these spot-on preparations -
- imidacloprid, fipronil, permethrin, methoprene, and
pyriproxyfen - have been linked to serious health effects
in laboratory animals (see chart, page 20).

"The public must recognize that any decision to use a
pesticide, or to otherwise be exposed to pesticides, is
a decision made in ignorance," says Eliot Spitzer,
Attorney General of the New York Environmental
Protection Bureau. "We do not know the identity of
the chemicals to which we are "Spot-on" flea-killers
are effective, but the long-term effects of their constant
use is unknown. In effect, our dogs are test subjects
that will determine their safety.

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product is of concern. Many people feel comforted by
the idea that a product contains only a minuscule amount
of an "active" ingredient and up to 99.9 percent "inert"
ingredients - a typical formula in many pesticide products.

Actually, this makeup should frighten consumers.

Why? Because the Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA, the government agency that oversees the pesticide
industry) requires a higher (if not high enough) standard
of scrutiny for "active" ingredients; these must undergo a
battery of tests to determine their toxicological profiles,
be registered with the EPA, and be listed on the product
inserts and packaging. In contrast, "inert" ingredients
need not be listed on the product inserts and packaging
and are subject to much less testing than the "active" ingredients;

"inerts" are generally tested in short-term studies for
acute toxicity only. The word "inert" implies chemicals
that are somehow inactive.

In actuality, many "inert" ingredients used in pesticides
are as toxic, or more toxic, than the registered "active"
ingredients. For example, naphthalene, one of the "inerts"
in an imidacloprid product, showed clear evidence of
cancer activity through inhalation (nasal cancers), as
well as anemia, liver damage, cataracts, and skin
allergies.

An unidentified "inert" ingredient in the flea product
Advantage was implicated in the death of kittens who
received doses within laboratory tolerances. Why don't
pesticide manufacturers have to disclose all the ingredients
in their products?

This kettle began brewing in 1949, when the U.S.
Congress passed the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide,
and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), fllowing manufacturers
confidentiality on issues they claimed would otherwise
make them vulnerable to market competition.

"Inert"   ingredients, in other words, became protected
by industry as  "trade secrets." While protecting industry,
this act supersedes the public's right to know to what we
are being exposed and the health hazards resulting from
these exposures. And without full disclosure, we are
unable to make educated decisions as to which
chemicals we want to avoid.

Laboratory studies Obviously, products undergo testing
in order to qualify for EPA registration, and presumably,
most of the overt dangers a product can exert are
ameliorated before the product can be marketed.

Scientists use healthy, adult, genetically identical
mammals to test pesticides, and then extrapolate
health information regarding the safety of the product
to domestic animals and human beings.

In the case of flea products, the laboratory tests are performed
on live mice, rats, cats, and dogs. These toxicological (poison)
studies are performed to establish  the LD 50 - the oral dose at
which the product would kill  50 percent of a test population -
and to determine the acute  and chronic effects.

Throughout and following the test, subjects are killed in order
to study the specific system damage (lungs, kidney, etc.).

Acute disease tests, such as nervous system and skin
reactions, can be performed over a relatively short time
period. Most studies are conducted for 3-, 13-, or 52-
week intervals, and use exaggerated dosages to
compensate for the short testing periods.

"Because of the short period under which the studies
are conducted, the health effects resulting from the
higher doses of the chemicals are relevant," says Dr.
Virginia Dobozy of the EPA's Pesticide Division.

These effects can include head-nodding; facial twitching;
exaggerated blinking; gag responses; weight increase of
the spleen, thymus, and adrenal glands; and/or atrophy
of the thymus. Long-term studies, needed to understand
the chronic effects of the pesticides, are few by comparison.

Chronic disease such as cancer, immune suppression,
developmental or reproductive damage, and DNA
damage can take months or years to manifest.

However, the cumulative effect - potential damage
from continued use of one specific pesticide product
or multiple products over a dog's lifetime - is unknown.
Also unknown is the potential for synergistic effects -
combined impacts of chemical exposures from their
home and outdoor environments. Neither the cumulative
nor the synergistic effects of chemicals in products are
required to be tested by the EPA before a product is
made commercially available

So, our dogs may be more vulnerable to unknown
chemical-related dangers than the happy commercials
would have you believe. Critics of the pesticide industry
claim that the EPA registers pesticides not on safety,
but on a cost-benefit basis, balancing health and
environmental concerns against the economic gain to
the manufacturer and the end user of the product.

But even if the pesticide manufacturers and the EPA
are not overly concerned about our safety, we as consumers
and guardians should be very concerned.

Too good to be true

Today, spot-on flea preparations are considered by
many as the Rolls Royce of flea products, and sell
swiftly in veterinary clinics and pet stores. Each of
the makers of these products claim that they are safe -
safer than ever - and that only the targeted insects
will be affected by the products' neu-Advantage
Bayer Corporation, Shawness Mission, KS (800)
255-6826 or nofleas.com

Active ingred: 9.1% imidacloprid Inert ingred: 90.9% (not
disclosed) (MSDS indicate inerts include some solvents)
Adams Spot-on Flea & Tick Control Farnam Pet Products,
Phoenix, AZ (602) 285-1660 or farnam.com Active ingred:
45.0% permethrin Inert ingred: 55.0% (not disclosed)
BioSpot Flea & Tick Control Farnam Pet Products, Phoenix,
AZ (602) 285-1660 or farnam.com

Active ingred: 45.0% permethrin 5.0% pyriproxyfen Inert
ingred: 50.0% (not disclosed) Defend EXspot Treatment
Schering-Plough Animal Health, Union, NJ (800) 842-3532
or www.sgp.com/main.html Active ingred: 65.0% permethrin
Inert ingred: 35.0% (not disclosed)

Spot-On Pesticides and Their Ingredients Frontline Top Spot
Merial Limited, Iselin, NJ (800) 660-1842 or frontline.com
Active ingred: 9.7% fipronil Inert ingred: 90.3% (not disclosed)
(MSDS indicates inerts include ethanol 7.7%, polyvinlpyrrolidone
6.9%, butylhydroxytoluene 0.3%, butlyhydroxanisole 0.3%, and
carbitol [diethylene glycol monoethyl ether]) (Note: Frontline
Plus is essentially the same as Frontline Top Spot, but with the
addition of 8.8% methoprene, an IGR.) Zodiac FleaTrol Spot On
Wellmark International, Schaumburg, IL (800) 950-4783 or
zodiacpet.com Active ingred: 45.0% permethrin 3.0% methoprene
(IGR) Inert ingred: 52.0% (not disclosed) 20 | FEBRUARY 2002
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The products are frequently advertised as safe for small children
and adults as well as puppies (over eight weeks) and geriatric dogs.
Do they sound too good to be true? Well, perhaps they are.

The spot-on flea products fall into four general categories of
insecticides. All have neurotoxic effects. The first three -
imidacloprid (a chloro-nicotinyl insecticide), fipronil (a
phenylprazole insecticide), and permethrin (a synthetic broad
spectrum pyrethroid insecticide) - all work by disrupting the
nervous system of insects, killing by contact or ingestion.

The fourth type contains insect growth regulators (IGR),
which don't kill, but interrupt the flea's life cycle. Imidacloprid
is the first of its class of insecticides, and is relatively
new on the block; it was introduced in 1994. Laboratory testing
on mice, dogs, and rats, indicates that this insecticide can be
neurotoxic to laboratory animals, causing incoordination, labored
breathing, thyroid lesions, reduced birth weights, and increased
frequency of birth defects.

Fipronil was introduced in the United States in 1996. It is a
neurotoxin and suspected human carcinogen. Fipronil can cause
liver toxicity, thyroid lesions (cancer), damage to the kidneys,
increased cholesterol levels, alterations in thyroid hormones,
incoordination, labored breathing, increased miscarriages, and
smaller offspring.

Fipronil Imidacloprid Methoprene Permethrin
Pyriproxyfen Ethanol Butylhydroxanisole Butyldydroxytoluene
Carbitol Polyvinlpyrrolidone
Carcinogen
Organ damage
Neurotoxin
(nervous system
damage)
Teratogen
(reproductive damage)
Skin problems
Carcinogen
Organ damage
Neurotoxin
Teratogen
Organ damage
Neurotoxin
Carcinogen
Organ damage
Neurotoxin
Teratogen
Autoimmune
Teratogen
Teratogen
Carcinogen
Carcinogen
Neurotoxin
Organ damage
Carcinogen
Thyroid cancer (possible human carcinogen)

Increased organ weights, altered thyroid hormones Loss of appetite,
underactivity, convulsions, whining, barking, crying (vocalization),
body twitches/tremors, overactivity, salivation, stiffened limbs,
unsteady gait, incoordination, labored breathing Reduced fertility,
decreased litter size and body weights in litters, fetus mortality
Severe moist inflammation, ulcerations, skin sloughing, chemical
burn, itching, hair loss at and beyond the application site Yet to
be determined; evidence of thyroid lesions in dogs Liver, kidney,
thyroid, heart, lungs, spleen, adrenal, brain, gonads; liver toxicity,
increased organ weights, thyroid lesions, increased cholesterol
levels in dogs Incoordination and labored breathing, muscle
weakness including muscles necessary for breathing Increased
miscarriages and smaller offspring Liver enlargement Headaches,
eye and throat irritation, difficulty breathing, confusion, dizziness
and nausea in humans Liver and lung tumors (possible human carcinogen)
Kidney enlargement, changes in lung Tremors,
incoordination, elevated body temperature, increased aggressive
behavior, learning disruption Fertility is affected Bone marrow
changes in laboratory animals Reduced weight gain, toxicity to
pups Adverse effects on fetus Animal carcinogen (possible human
carcinogen)

Headache, depression, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal and
lumbar pain Pathological lesions in brain, lungs, liver menni;
possibility of pulmonary edema, intravascular hemolysis and bone
marrow depression Not evaluated by EPA for carcinogenic

INGREDIENT TYPE AFFECTED SYSTEM LABORATORY
ANIMAL HEALTH EFFECTS Adverse Effects of Ingredients
Found in Spot-On Products Sources of the above information
include reports from the Environmental Protection Agency;
Occupational Safety & Health Administration, US Dept. of
Labor; Extoxnet: Extension Toxicology Network; Journal
of Pesticide Reform, Material Safety Data Sheets, Pesticide
Action Network North America, and more.

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In the next issue, we will present a complete indoor and outdoor
IPM treatment program for effective, non-poisonous flea control.

From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior
         Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Date: 25 May 2006

Subject: Re: K9 Advantix 11-22 pounds

HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too, veterinary malpractice
office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar,
dog abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,

Sharon wrote:

BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Didn't she BUY the POISON from her veterinary malpracticioner?

It made her dog SICK. Doesn't THAT tell you sumpthin?

It POISONS dogs.

You'd have to be INSANE to do THAT to your own dog.

You think she should hire a lawyer?

Did you MISSPELL LAWYER?

Look up state board of veterinary medical EXXXAMINERS and
ASK THEM HOWE COME their licensed vet POISONED her dog.

THAT'S INSANE. And it's a LIE.

Wouldn't your office GUARANTEE the products THEY SELL???

From:           Sharon
Date:           Sun, Apr 30 2006 11:03 pm
Email:          "Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com>

I think it's best to think of garlic as it relates to fleas
like sprinkling sage around the edges of a kitchen to keep
ants out. The ants are still there - alive - procreating,
just like the fleas will be. Further, fleas can cause issues
with the humans in the house. It's better to ask your vet
about a product that will kill all stages of the fleas' life
cycle.

-Sharon

From:           showdogbark -
Date:           Sun, Apr 30 2006

Garlic is not to be used in large does in the mixture I mentioned,
the other things that are offensive to fleas is the Engevta Yeast
and the Flake yeast, some people find just using the two yeasts
enough of a flea deterrent. Powdered garlic is much easier to use
in about one teaspoon to two cups of the yeast mixture. It does
not take much and that is not logical that there is a temptation
to use more as it is not addicting, and as I mentioned it is not
the garlic alone that works it is the mixture of the yeasts along
with it.

The smell of the yeasts is not appealing to fleas. Another
method that works for many people is to take a teaspoon of
the mixture for a severe case and rub it into the dog's fur,
for as I said the fleas do not like the smell, and then after
that feed it to the dog sprinkled on it's food twice a day.

What would a vet know except something that would be
self serving to sell, yeast and garlic do not line
their pockets.

Show Dog

From:           Amy Dahl
Date:           Fri, Jul 2 1999 12:00 am
Email:          Amy Dahl <a...@oakhillkennel.com>

I don't have directly relevant experience, but would like
to suggest the usual--get a second opinion!  Especially
before electing surgery.

I once had an experience involving cataracts and a kitten
which woke me up to how block-headed a veterinary specialist
can be (of course, you have to take my word for something the
vet. ophthalmologist did not).

I had adopted two "rescued" kittens that were found at the
age of about 1 day and raised on a foster mother.  They had
various health problems, did not thrive, etc.  Everything
kind of went together--they were poor, so even with up-to-date
flea treatments couldn't fight off the fleas, so they were
anemic, stayed poor, etc.  When it became clear that loving
care, good food, and flea treatments weren't enough I took
them to my vet (who is very good).  They were four months
old and about as big as the average 5-6 week kitten.

My vet treated them with several things, of which I remember
Ivomec for ear mites and feline Program (which had just come
out), tested and vaccinated for feline AIDS, which I had
never heard of.

The next morning, the male kitten was blind!  The pupils of
his eyes were milky blue--completely clouded by cataracts.
I just happened to have an appointment to CERF a bitch, so
I took the kitten along.  The vet. ophthalmologist told me,
"he's got congenital cataracts."  Well, I know what congenital
means.  I had already explained to her that his eyes had been
fine before taking him to the vet the previous day.  She
didn't say, you're wrong, you didn't notice.  She didn't
acknowledge the discrepancy between my observation and her
statement.  She just repeated "they're congenital cataracts.
He's been this way since birth."  She informed me about the
surgery and the cost--$1600 per eye at that time.

Twilight Zone theme here.  I don't know about the rest of you,
but when face with this level of adamant assertion, I question
what I know.  I was sure he'd been able to jump and climb, that
the bumping into things and crying was new that morning.  When
I got home I called my vet to verify that the cat had been able
to see the previous day.

Because my vet had a couple of emergencies that day (Friday)
I didn't have the kitten put down.  Lo and behold, by Monday
his pupils seemed to respond to light and he wasn't bumping
into things any more!  The cloudiness gradually faded away
to nothing (to my unpracticed eye).

Then the next month I treated him with Program again and the
cataracts came back--not as severe, but this time they left
him with permanent cloudiness in one eye.  My vet called her
ophthalmology professor from vet school and he mentioned the
possibility of "toxic cataracts," certainly not recorded as
a consequence of Program, but some medical treatments
(antibiotics, I think) cause cataracts in animals which are
in poor health--and sometimes these cataracts resolve.

I take the moral of this story to be that, just because
you are talking to a veterinary specialist, doesn't mean
they necessarily know what they're talking about.

WELCOME to the world of veterinary approved poisons.

Naaah? The EXXXPERTS tell us that's GOOD for dogs.

Yeah. Most of the DOG LOVERS here got DEATHLY ILL and
DEAD DOGS on accHOWENT of their mishandling and inapupriate
veterinary malpractices.

Have you had your dog surgically sexually mutilated yet?

Better hurry. Oh, bye the bye, ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here abHOWETS.

You're welcome!

From:           showdogbark -
Date:           Sun, Apr 30 2006

Garlic is not to be used in large does in the mixture
I mentioned, the other things that are offensive to
fleas is the Engevta Yeast and the Flake yeast, some
people find just using the two yeasts enough of a flea
deterrent. Powdered garlic is much easier to use in
about one teaspoon to two cups of the yeast mixture.
It does not take much and that is not logical that
there is a temptation to use more as it is not addicting,
and as I mentioned it is not the garlic alone that works
it is the mixture of the yeasts along with it.

The smell of the yeasts is not appealing to fleas.

Another method that works for many people is to take
a teaspoon of the mixture for a severe case and rub
it into the dog's fur, for as I said the fleas do not
like the smell, and then after that feed it to the
dog sprinkled on it's food twice a day.

What would a vet know except something that would be
self serving to sell, yeast and garlic do not line
their pockets.

Show Dog

From:           showdogbark
Date:           Sun, Apr 30 2006 6:09 pm
Email:          "showdogbark" <jotnarin...@yahoo.com>

I have used half Engevita Yeast and half Flake yeast
with Garlic Powder, not tablets along with Dulce or
Kelp powder for fleas for years on my dogs and cats
in their diet daily, and along with absolutelty no
feas, they love the taste.

Often if a dog comes to visit and they are not hungry
due to being left without their owner and are avoiding
their food, just putting the mix on their food makes
them very interested in eating. My friends have used
this mixture for years and also no fleas.

I certainly agree with Jerry that chemical so called
solutions to fleas are only of help to the chemical
companies and the pockets of vets to be fattened.

Also Dr. Pitcairn is a fabulous source of info. But
when it comes to fleas it is the above mixture I
mentioned that for 20 years has been my solution
and my friends solutions also.

Remember it must be powder and organic garlic not
just any powder on a shelf with additives.

Stay away from drugs for yourselves and for dogs and cats.

Be Well, and love your animals by being nonviolent with them
and that means using methods of training like Jerry's and the
First Nations along with no chemical garbage as so called
nutrition or help with medical problems like fleas.

Do Good, Be Good, Be One.

From:           Sharon
Date:           Sun, Apr 30 2006 11:03 pm
Email:          "Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com>

I think it's best to think of garlic as it relates to
fleas like sprinkling sage around the edges of a kitchen
to keep ants out. The ants are still there - alive -
procreating, just like the fleas will be.

Further, fleas can cause issues with the humans in the
house. It's better to ask your vet about a product that
will kill all stages of the fleas' life cycle.

-Sharon

From:           Sharon
Date:           Wed, Aug 20 2003 6:59 pm
Email:          "Sharon" <requestaddyfi...@nospam.com>

Must be specific to heavy tic infested areas. I guess where
we live if people use their Advantic /frontline/Revolution
regularly (like birth control pills) they are covered. It
really works well for those fleas and tics. However, I can
see that in other areas of the country there would be different
recommendations based on need. I .... think.... we're..... lucky!

-Sharon

From:           Stephanie
Date:           Wed, Sep 4 2002 6:25 pm
Email:          "Stephanie" <steph...@gt.rr.com>

FYI...My black lab Sam was on Senitinel and then when
Revolution came out I switched.  Well after being on
prevention all of his life.

Last year he got heartworms!

Treatment was paid for by Pfizer(the maker of Revolution).

We will not know until next February if he is free of the
heartworms.  It was very scary.  We live in Texas and have
allot of mosquitoes, but I did not think it possible to get
heartworms if you are on prevention.

Good Luck!

               --------

From:           G Griffeth
Date:           Mon, Sep 24 2001 1:39 am
Email:          "G Griffeth" <gcgriffet...@yahoo.com>

Both are effective.

In general, Frontline is more gentle, Advantage is faster.

Both have been associated with reactions which have caused
seriious morbidity or mortality in dogs and cats.  These
reactions are very rare, however, being much less common
than toxic reactions to the oldfashioned dips, etc.

I use FrontlinePlus on my 4 cats and 1 dog monthly.
I get it free, but got Advantage and Revolution free
also.

Advantage caused local hair loss on one cat, so we switched.

Before that, we used grey-market Advantage.  I believe
the vet only rules to be a marketing ploy.  It is true,
however, that greymarket Advantage or Frontline are not
guaranteed by the maker for efficacy or *safety*.

If you have friends with pets, or have more than one,
large size doses are almost the same price as small ones,
and can be easily divided between animals.  We use one
giant Frontline per month on 5 beasties.

***Do Not Inject These Drugs Ever***
Use a hypodermic syringe to accurately measure the dose.
***Do Not Inject These Drugs Ever***

Sorry for the warning label.

You may also consider Revolution and Capstar.

I personally do not recommend either for routine use.

There are many informed people who disagree with that,
however.   Revolution works well on ear mites in cats.
Do not instill it into the ear, though...

Bottom line: find a cheap source of Frontline (preferably
an iconoclastic vet) and split the extra large doses with
many friends.

Gg

             ---------

HOWEDY jst,

jst wrote:

Allergies are a result of compromised auto-immune
system. Auto-immune systems are COMPROMISED by STRESS,
insufficient diet, and TOXINS. ALL commercial dog food
is GARBAGE.

sharon is a veterinary malpractice office manager and
mrs. veterinary malpracticioner and proven lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case.

She SELLS toxins and prescription garbage diets for her
livin when she ain't SELLIN MUTILATIONS and MURDERIN dogs
and comfortin their owners while acceptin their payments.
Shell fleece you as fast as her own veterinary malpractice
customers..

HOWEDY Nell71,

That's too bad Nell71. The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard will PREY for him <{): ~ (  >

Could be. The DOG LOVERS you're askin here abHOWETS got
very long posted case histories of hurtin intimidatin an
murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters through
TRADITIONAL abuse mishandling and veterinary care and
malpractice <{): ~ (  >

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) : ~ (  >

                  ---------

"Crazy"? You want CRAZY? The only people who've replied
to you thus far are INSANE LYIN DOG ABUSING COWARDS with
very long verifiable posted case histories of THE SAME
PROBEM your dog got with NO CURE or solutions.

HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager and mrs. veterinary malpracticioner,

Sharon wrote:

Sez you sharon too? You've got a very long posted
case history of hurtin intimdiatin mutilatin and
murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters an lyin
abHOWET it <{): ~ ( >

Perhaps is shouldn't be applied to dogs either?

You think the SALES REP is gonna tell you the truth?
Perhaps you just fell HOWETA a cabbage truck an landed
on your head?

You'll find PLENTY of alternatives to TOXINS in Dr. Pitcairn's
books on Natural Pet Care. HOWEver, HOWER DOG LOVERS PREFER to
buy toxins from their TRUSTED veterinary malpracticioners
like we got RIGHT HERE whom The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as bein LIARS
DOG ABUSERS FRAUDS and MALPRACTICIONERS <{): ~ ( >

        Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Subject: Re: Canadavets.com

HOWEDY tom,

Tom wrote:

Do you BELIEVE frontline or ANY systemic POISON is SAFE?

WOULD YOU BET YOUR OWN LIFE ON IT?

Subject: Re: My dog has flees

HOWEDY Prophet,

Prophet wrote:

1st, You should go to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google and other fine pubicly archived news group
search engines and type in the correct SPELLIN and
see what The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ HE DOES to live
in a flea and other parasite free environment.

2nd, DO NOT believe the professional lying dog abusing
punk thug coward mental cases who SELL training lessons
and promote unethickal veterinary practices like toxic
substances and surgical sexual mutilation which may harm
your dogs and family.

3rd, if you DON'T FIND a definive authentic Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Post then ASK HIM HOWE to accomplish
whatever your needs are.

4th, DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE so if you see
someWON giving you contradictory information, KNOW
that they're a miserable lying dog abusing punk thug
coward and DISREGARD them. Better yet, tell them to
get the heel HOWETA The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums.

Here's your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's'
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:

http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

Please study my manual using a text to speech reader.
There's a free one at http://www.ultrahal.com

If you need any additional free help call me
ANY TIME at 407-425-5092.

Here's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's most recent post
on non toxic flea CON-TROLL methods and treatments:

Subject: Re: Excerpt: Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide
                  to Natural Health
                  for Dogs & Cats

HOWEDY Jane,

Thank you for the valuable information. Dr.Pitcairn's
works are EXXXCELLENT, to say the least. In addition
to Pitcairn's fleating (Ouch!) tips, I recommend insect
growth regulators (IGR's) and beneficial nematodes.

For daily grooming / inspection I always have a "Q-Tip"
soaked in alcohol to quickly swab them up off the dog
and dunk it back into a small bottle of alocohol to
dispatch them.

Of curse, cleanlieness is next to G-dlieness!

Thank you again,

Yours,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Jane Smith wrote:

The following is an excerpt from the book Dr. Pitcairn's
Complete  Guide to  Natural Health for Dogs & Cats by
Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble Pitcairn
Published by Rodale; September 2005;$18.95US/$25.95CAN;
1-57954-973-X Copyright © 2005 Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM,
PhD, and Susan Hubble Pitcairn Safe, Effective Flea Control

The best approach to controlling fleas is to start with
the least toxic and most natural choices, resorting to
stronger measures only if reasonable control is not achieved.

As a prerequisite to any flea- control program, I recommend
building up your animal's health and resistance as much as
possible through a healthy diet and lifestyle.

Along with that, it's important to practice thorough sanitation
and cleaning. Understanding the life cycle of the flea makes it
clear why cleaning is so important. Adult fleas live about three
to four months.

During that time they are steadily laying tiny white eggs on
your pet that look like dandruff or salt crystals. Flea eggs
hatch out into larvae that live in the cracks and crevices of
rugs, upholstery, blankets, floors, sand, earth, and the like.

Because these tiny larvae cannot jump or travel very far (less
than an inch), they feed on the black specks of dried blood
("flea dirt") that fall off along with the eggs during grooming
and scratching.

After one to two weeks, the larvae go through a cocoon stage
(pupa). A week or two later, they hatch out as small fleas
that hop onto the nearest warm body passing by (usually your
pet -- sometimes you!), bite it for a meal of blood, and then
start the whole process all over again. This cycle takes anywhere
from 2 to 20 weeks, depending on the temperature of the house or
environment.

During summer -- flea season -- the entire cycle is usually
just 2 weeks long. That's why fleas increase so rapidly at
that time. The bad news is that, no matter how many adult
fleas you manage to kill, numerous future fleas are developing
in the environment simultaneously.

The good news is that these eggs, larvae, pupa, and the flea
dirt they feed upon can be sucked up by a vacuum cleaner or
washed away in the laundry. And because the developing fleas
are so immobile, they are most concentrated wherever your pet
sleeps, so you know where to focus your efforts.

Your important ally in the battle against fleas is cleanliness,
both for your pet and your home, particularly in your pet's
sleeping areas.

Regular cleaning interrupts the life cycles of the fleas and
greatly cuts down on the number of adult fleas that end up on
your pet, especially if you act before flea season begins. So
start your program with these nontoxic steps.

Steam clean your carpets at the onset of flea season (or
whenever you begin your flea-control program). Though it
is somewhat expensive, steam cleaning is effective in killing
flea eggs.

Thoroughly vacuum and clean floors and furniture at least
once a week to pick up flea eggs, larvae, and pupae.
Concentrate on areas where your pet sleeps and use an
attachment to reach into crevices and corners and under
heavy furniture. If there is a heavy infestation, you may
want to put a flea collar (or part of a flea collar) in
the vacuum bag to kill any adult fleas that get sucked
up and might crawl away. Or else immediately dispose of
the bag or its contents because it can provide a warm,
moist, food-filled environment for developing eggs and
larvae.

Mop vinyl floors. Launder your pet's bedding in hot, soapy
water at least once a week. Dry on maximum heat. Heat will
kill all stages of flea life, including the eggs.

Remember that flea eggs are very slippery and easily fall
off bedding or blankets. So carefully roll bedclothes up
to keep all the flea eggs contained on the way to the
washing machine. Bathe the animal with a natural flea-control
shampoo. Use a nontoxic shampoo as recommended above, such
as one containing d-limonene (dogs only).

Use a flea comb to trap and kill fleas that are on your pet.
Most pet stores carry special fine-toothed combs that trap
fleas for easy disposal. Make a regular habit of flea-combing
your pet while you watch TV or talk on the phone. Depending on
the degree of infestation and the time of year, this might be
daily (at the onset of the flea season), weekly, or monthly.

Gently but thoroughly comb as many areas as your pet will allow,
especially around the head, neck, back, and hindquarters. As you
trap the little buggers, pull them off the comb and plunge them
into a container of hot, soapy water (or dip the comb and pull
the flea off underwater). Cover your lap with an old towel to
catch extra clumps of hair and flea dirt and to wipe the comb
off as you work.

When you're finished, flush the soapy water and fleas down the
toilet. If your pet goes outdoors, follow these steps as well.
Mow and water your lawn regularly. Short grass allows sunlight
to penetrate and warm the soil, which kills larvae. Watering
drowns the developing fleas.

Encourage ants. Perhaps I should say "do not discourage ants."
They love to eat flea eggs and larvae. This is another reason
not to use pesticides that kill all the insects in your yard.
"Sterilize" bare-earth sleeping spots.

If your pet likes to sleep or hang out in a certain bare or
sandy area, occasionally cover the spot with a heavy black
plastic sheet on a hot, sunny day. Rake up any dead leaves
and other debris first. The heat that builds up under the
plastic does an excellent job of killing fleas and larvae.
Of course, this is not appropriate to use where you want
to preserve live grass or plants.

Apply agricultural lime on grassy or moist areas. This helps
to dry out the fleas. Rake up any dead leaves and grassy debris
first.

Along with the above steps, you might try these methods to
repel fleas that may try to jump back on your pet, especially
those harder-to-kill ones hanging out in the backyard.

Use an herbal flea powder. You'll find them in pet stores
and natural food stores, or you can make your own. Combine
one part each of as many of these powdered herbs as you can
find: eucalyptus, rosemary, fennel, yellow dock, wormwood,
and rue. Put this mixture in a shaker-top jar, such as a jar
for parsley flakes.

Apply the flea powder sparingly to your pet's coat by brushing
backward with your hand or the comb and sprinkling it into the
base of the hairs, especially on the neck, back, and belly. To
combat severe infestations, use several times a week. Afterward,
put your animal friend outside for awhile so the disgruntled
tenants vacate in the yard and not in your house.

Some herbal flea powders also contain natural pyrethrins, which
are not strong flea-killers but do seem to greatly discourage
them. Use an herbal flea collar. These are impregnated with
insect-repellent herbal oils. Some are made to be "recharged"
with the oils and used again. Buy them at natural food stores.

Try a natural skin tonic. The animal herbalist Juliette de
Bairacli-Levy recommends this lemon skin tonic, which many
of my clients successfully use on their pets for a general
skin toner, parasite repellent, and treatment for mange.

Thinly slice a whole lemon, including the peel. Add it to 1
pint of near-boiling water and let it steep overnight. The
next day, sponge the solution onto the animal's skin and let
it dry. You can use this daily for severe skin problems involving
fleas. It is a source of natural flea-killing substances such
as d-limonene and other healing ingredients found in the whole
lemon.

Add ample nutritional or brewer's yeast and garlic to the diet.
Some studies show yeast supplementation significantly reduces
flea numbers, though others indicate no effect. My experience
with using yeast is that it has some favorable effect, particularly
if the animal's health is good. You can also rub it directly into
the animal's hair.

Many people also praise the value of garlic as a flea repellent,
though so far studies do not support this.

If these methods do not control the fleas sufficiently,
take the following steps. Get your carpets treated with
a special anti-flea mineral salt. There have been some
developments in safe flea control. My clients report
success with a service that applies or sells relatively
nontoxic mineral salts for treating carpets. (Fleabusters
is the company recommended.)

Effective for up to a year, the products safely kill fleas
and their developing forms over a few week's time.

Once or twice a year, sprinkle natural, unrefined diatomaceous
earth along walls, under furniture, and in cracks and crevices
that you cannot access with a vacuum. This product, which
resembles chalky rock, is really the fossilized remains of
one-celled algae. Though direct skin contact is harmless to
pets and people, it is bad news for many insects and their
larvae, including fleas.

The fine particles in the earth kill insects by attacking
the waxy coating that covers their external skeletons. The
insects then dry out and die.

I do not recommend using diatomaceous earth frequently or
directly on your animal -- mostly because of the irritating
dust that can be breathed in by both of you. It is also messy.
Be careful about breathing it in. Wear a dust mask when applying.
It is not toxic, but inhaling even the natural, unrefined form
of this dust can irritate the nasal passages.

Important: Do not use the type of diatomaceous earth that is
sold for swimming pool filters. It has been very finely ground,
and the tiny particles can be breathed into the lungs and cause
chronic inflammation.

Use a spray or powder containing pyrethrins or natural pyrethrum.
These are the least toxic of all the insecticides used on pets,
and they are found in both conventional and natural flea-control
products. For a more lasting effect, use a microencapsulated
product, which is perhaps labeled "slow release." Repeat the
applications as you simultaneously use the carpet treatment
system or diatomaceous earth. This will help kill both adult
fleas and developing fleas at the same time.

Reprinted from: Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health
for Dogs & Cats by Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble
Pitcairn © 2005. Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble
Pitcairn Permission granted by Rodale, Inc., Emmaus, PA 18098.
Available wherever books are sold or directly from the publisher
by calling (800) 848-4735 or visit their website at www.rodalestore.com

Authors Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, opened the Animal
Natural Health Center, a clinic offering only holistic
animal care, in 1985. Recently retired from practice, he
teaches post-graduate courses in homeopathic medicine to
veterinarians.

Susan Hubble Pitcairn was a major contributor to the first
two editions of this book. As the third edition goes to press,
she is splitting her time between artistic pursuits and the
support of positive social change. For more information,
please visit www.drpitcairn.com

From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u.  Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids.  Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.

Dr. Von

Here's HOWE The Freakin Simply Amazing  Puppy Wizard feeds his dogs:

            Breakfast At The Puppy Wizard's -
                  Chez du Chien -
                 Gourmet Recipies

HOWEDY People,

Unbeknownst to yourselves, this has been a difficult
couple weeks for Your Puppy Wizard. Not to complain,
but he's been necessarily temporarily abandoned by
his Mrs.Puppy Wizard who had to attend to affairs out
of town for nine days.

Left alone, helpless and hapless to cope with domestic
and personal needs, to fend for HISSELF and his pups by
his own devices, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard HOWEver, is
considerate and foresighted enough to prepare His table
before him, in advance, and even calls to remind him to
breath, when necessary.

Your Puppy Wizard requires little from the physical realm,
existing primarily on prahana and nirvana as his staple diet.
HOWEver, his puppies unfortunately cannot thrive in the
physical world without the grounding effects of the evils
of wholesome food.

Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares daily, fresh, well balanced
HOWES cooked meals. When Mrs. Puppy Wizard travels
occasionally, she prepares for the days of lean in advance,
by freezing two weeks worth of puppy chow and posting the
culinary instructions on the Puppy Wizard's coffee can, the
only physical need The Puppy Wizard requires, beyond his
internet connection and of course, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard
and puppies. But those are givens, naturally.

Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares 2 meals a day. The
following recipe is for about a 100 pound dog:

Breakfast is half pound raw ground turkey, green
Source, and 1gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish
oil and a *Iams cookie *(cause she LIKES to).

Dinner is 2 cups cooked rice, a tablespoon of rolled
oats and an ounce of hamburg. When the rice and oats
cool, add half cup pinto or similar beans, ground fine
in the food processor with equal amounts raw collard or
similar greens or your dog's favorite vegetable or cabbage,
a tablespoon or two Olive or Cannola oil, half clove garlic,
mixed with 1/2 pound raw ground turkey, a good vitamin /
mineral supplement (Green Source for People), calcium and
magnesium, 1 gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish oil.

Addition of table scraps is encouraged, bear in mind
salt can be dangerous. The Puppy Wizard's diet is
environmentally friendly and will not produce noxiHOWES
gasses provided the vegetable and beans are ground
finely and because the Green Source contains digestive
enzmyes. Chicken necks are an EXXXCELLENT source of
thyroid hormones.

Of curse, that's just a BASIC guide. You may add fish
(canned mackrel is cheap and EXXXCELLENT) or chitlins,
liver or anything not too high in salt or preservatives.

               BHOWEN APETITE!

From:           showdogbark
Date:           Tues, May 2 2006 1:13 pm
Email:          "showdogbark" <jotnarin...@yahoo.com>
Groups:                 rec.pets.dogs.health

Sharon,
I understand your frustrations from your practice with
your husband. I know a couple of vets myself and a few
assistants. The end of the business that you described
is hard and emotionally draining.

Yes vets do sacrifice and put in long hours and their
family is involved in the long hours and irregular hours
put in, there is a very hard side to the job.

It sounds like you get close to many of the animals that
come in especially the ones that come in long term.

I understand your feelings about the euthanasia part
of the job, although it is often overdone, I agree
that sometimes it is necessary, like with my angel
dog Ruby who had a broken neck from spondalosis and
she was put down in the most compassionate way while
I was holding her along with my husband, and the
interesting thing about it was when he came with
the needle she sweetly closed her eyes as though she
sensed she would have relief from the pain and it did
seem as though she embraced death by doing that. The
parting was very hard and at the same time very spiritual.

This vet is a country vet and does not perform esoteric
tests he works in the old fashioned way and tries simple
things first, he works from his own large farm and saves
costs and is sweet like a border collie himself.

The vets I am talking about are the city vets who are so
nice and reasonable the first few times and then out come
the expensive tests and drugs. For instance one time when
Ruby needed surgery for an accident he prescribed a 90
dollar anti-inflammatory for her, well she threw up from
it and my friend who worked for a vet when she was young
told me to use enteric coated generic aspirin and it worked
and she did not throw up and had pain relief.

My son gets the same thing with his dog, esoteric tests
and expensive drugs so he researches it and suggests and
consults with the vet and he no longer is getting gouged.

Perhaps the vets you know are reasonable and kind however
surely you must agree that the profession deserves allot
to be answered about when it comes to exploitation.

Consumer fraud and manipulation is at an all time high
and that includes the vets.

Of course there are many good ones who try and do their
best from their own medical knowledge that can be on the
pharmaceutical side of the training along with a genuine
belief in all the tests, of course to pay for the equipment
it helps to believe in the tests.

It is a complicated subject and I certainly sympathies
with you about the dark side of the business that is
hard for you and your husband.

I am sorry for the loss of your angel. May she rest in peace.

Show Dog Bark

P.S.  I never did pretend to be Jerry's dog.

I do like Jerry and Barbara very much I even went and
visited with them in Orlando. They were very polite and
Jerry picked me up at the airport and Barbara made me
dinner. They were the most gracious hosts and made me
very welcome.

He really is a third generation dog trainer and his
methods are new and refreshing.

I learned much more about them by speaking with him
about some of the ideas behind the methods.

They welcomed me into their home and yet I had only
met them through this site.

The man is sincere kind and very likable. His wife
is a saint and very loving and hard working.

When my husband came down to see me he was made very
welcome also and he also was impressed by Jerry's love
for dogs.

I think Jerry is not understood sometimes because his
methods are so different from the main stream. But his
intentions are good and effective results are there.

And he has had 45 years of experience and evidence
that he knows what he is doing. Like him or not, it
certainly is worth listening to his ideas as he comes
from a loving, knowledgeable place.

Do Good, BE Good, Be One.
Sow Dog Bark