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Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live in Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee? How much is the fee apt to be? The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my life, but I would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you. ________________________ Whatever it takes. I don't know why anyone would ever want to do this. Be happy all you do is clean kennels. I don't think I could live with myself putting perfectly healthy animals to sleep. Celeste > Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live in > Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee? How much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ________________________ > Whatever it takes. >I don't know why anyone would ever want to do this. Be happy all you do is >clean kennels. I don't think I could live with myself putting perfectly >healthy animals to sleep. I don't think you're interested in enlightenment just yet, but I can tell you that being killed, by injection, is the kindest treatment some dogs have known in a very long time. The shelter has four pit bulls from a court case. All are covered in scars. A couple are scared, one chews on the pooper scooper, and the fourth is somewhat dangerous. These dogs have never had such a good life, but they can't be offered to the public! Besides, no one would choose one of them over the pit bulls with good temperaments and nice coats. So, what is the alternative, pit bull rescue? Show me one with a vacancy, a vacancy for such dogs. The dogs' owner got the case postponed a month to make things tougher for the shelter. He will lose his case, and one day these innocent dogs will be killed. I'll go out to clean their cages, and they'll be gone. I'm already preparing myself. In the absence of the great life they deserved and were denied, they deserve a merciful exit. I do understand your feelings, but please consider where we'd be without euthanasia. That is what I can't live with. Note: euthanasia also provides a gentle end to animals with terminal ailments. ________________________ Whatever it takes. >I don't know why anyone would ever want to do this. Be happy all you do is >clean kennels. I don't think I could live with myself putting perfectly >healthy animals to sleep. Nice judgmental attitude there, Celeste. People don't "want" to do euthanasia, but unless they live under a rock or in the land of De Nile, they realize that somebody has to do it and it would be nice if the animals felt loving arms and heard kind words before they died. As Jerry Howe will tell you, I assisted with euthanasia for a while at our local shelter. It was not something I wanted to do, but fortunately I was able to live with myself and not think I was a horrible person for doing it. I believe that when people who really love animals do this awful job, the animals feel their compassion and hopefully some love. Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the responses. I don't know how things are done in Tennessee, but check with your regional HSUS office - that's who ran the classes in Ohio a few years back. Sorry, I don't recall what the fee was, can't even remember whether or not it was under or over $100. At that time, the classes were pretty much open to anyone who signed up and paid the fee. Mustang Sally >> Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live in >> Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee? How much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> ________________________ >> Whatever it takes. I'm not being judgemental I'm just stating that I myself could not do it. I would be happy to be just cleaning kennels. There is no need to bite my damned head off for it. Celeste >>I don't know why anyone would ever want to do this. Be happy all you do >>is [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> ________________________ >>> Whatever it takes. > Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the > responses. Have you checked your block lists? Maybe you blocked him out accidentally at some point. Dale >> Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the >> responses. > >Have you checked your block lists? Maybe you blocked him out accidentally at >some point. LOL It might have been intentional at some point! LOL ________________________________ "If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise." - Unknown >> Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the >> responses. > >Have you checked your block lists? Maybe you blocked him out accidentally at >some point. That's not possible with the newsreader I use, and in any case, he's not in my killfile. Mustang Sally >Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the >responses. I don't know how things are done in Tennessee, but check [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >classes were pretty much open to anyone who signed up and paid the >fee. Sally, I don't know why you don't see my posts, but I rarely post to this particular news group. I will check with the regional HSUS office! That's a great idea! Thanks! I did find that CET classes are hold at many places. I just need to find a close class, and pay the fee: about $220.00 or so. I have enough chemistry, physiology and anatomy behind me, to make the class fairly easy. __________________________ When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. Don't know what the law is, but given that most shelters are going to have pretty regular contact with verterinarians, for other, non euthanasia related issues, I imagine that this is not uncommon. Who currently does the euthanasias for the shelter you're working at? Have you spoken with them? I have to agree with you, that euthanasia is an unfortunate necessity. In an ideal world, the animal would never be in that situation in the first place, unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. I've visited a number of places, and my family has lived in a number of other places where there are no shelters. Cats, or dogs running free everywhere (depending on the environment). In such a condition, the universal result (at least as far as I've been able to observe) is an undervaluing of the animal. Its not uncommon for regulatory bodies, or even annoyed residents to put down poison to try to 'deal' with the problem. Owned animals often get caught in the cross fire, but aren't mourned as much, because you can go out and have another puppy/kitten by nightfall. Its a crummy situation, but euthanasia is often the kindest thing you can do for the animal population in general. Dale > Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live in > Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee? How much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ________________________ > Whatever it takes. >I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the >euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. In our state since the product is a heavily monitored controlled substance, it can only be administered by a veterinarian. Can't imagine any other state would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it. >>I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the >>euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. > >In our state since the product is a heavily monitored controlled substance, >it can only be administered by a veterinarian. Can't imagine any other state >would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it. Certain shelter employees have become "certified euthanasia technicians" via a 16-hour class. The shelter has a DEA certification to purchase/administer Fatal Plus. "Play doctor"? Don't make me laugh. ________________________ Whatever it takes. > "Play doctor"? Don't make me laugh. I don't understand this comment at all. Please elaborate. >> "Play doctor"? Don't make me laugh. > >I don't understand this comment at all. Please elaborate. Gladly. The poster said, "Can't imagine any other state would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it." This is an utterly ridiculous, pathetic thing to say, or even think. Doctors try to save lives. Doctors provide treatment. There are sickos everywhere, but CET do not imagine being doctors. In other words, I was scoffing at a statement I resented for wasting the second it took to read it. My sense of humor seems to be somewhat different from most folks. ________________________ Whatever it takes. > Gladly. The poster said, "Can't imagine any other state > would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it." This is an utterly > ridiculous, pathetic thing to say, or even think. Doctors try to save > lives. Doctors provide treatment. There are sickos everywhere, but CET > do not imagine being doctors. You think that euthanizing an animal does not require knowledge of a veterinarian? So many things can go wrong in a euthanasia not making it humane. And certain conditions only a doctor would be able to diagnosis could change the way a euthanasia is performed. > In other words, I was scoffing at a statement I resented for wasting the > second it took to read it. > > My sense of humor seems to be somewhat different from most folks. I wasn't laughing. Instead of being snarky to me, how about you ask me to clarify. I certainly wouldn't want somebody with your arogant attitude to euthanize my pet. -Sharon >You think that euthanizing an animal does not require knowledge of a >veterinarian? Yes, I think that euthanizing an animal does not require the knowledge of a veterinarian. >So many things can go wrong in a euthanasia not making it >humane. Those things happen when vets do the procedure, too. I've heard plenty of stories, and had one such experience with one of my dogs. In any event, though I've not been to a CET class, I would imagine that's the sort of thing that would be covered in the class. >And certain conditions only a doctor would be able to diagnosis >could change the way a euthanasia is performed. You think that animals in a high-kill shelter see vets who diagnose their conditions? Who do you suppose pays for that? >I wasn't laughing. Instead of being snarky to me, how about you ask me to >clarify. I certainly wouldn't want somebody with your arogant attitude to >euthanize my pet. CETs don't normally walk around offering their services to pet owners; they may actually be prohibited from doing so, at least in some states. But since you're the one who thinks only vets should be permitted to euthanize animals: if vets won't euthanize healthy but unwanted animals at a shelter (and I know for a fact that most in our area won't), or won't perform the service at a price the shelter can afford, and laypeople are not to be permitted to become CETs, who's supposed to perform euthanasias? Mustang Sally >...You think that euthanizing an animal does not require knowledge of a >veterinarian? So many things can go wrong in a euthanasia not making it >humane. And certain conditions only a doctor would be able to diagnosis >could change the way a euthanasia is performed. I did not make that claim; however, it is correct. Becoming a certified euthanasia technician does require some veterinary knowledge, and some chemistry is helpful. Please, tell us some of those, "So many things can go wrong in a euthanasia not making it humane." There might be one I'm not familiar with. If you can't think of any, off the top of your head, just say so, and I will tell you some of the things that can go wrong. I wonder, do you think I'm clueless about this topic? LOL The way things are done in a veterinarian's office are generally far different from how they are done in the back of some shelter. I don't intend to work in a vet's office! >> In other words, I was scoffing at a statement I resented for wasting the >> second it took to read it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >clarify. I certainly wouldn't want somebody with your arogant attitude to >euthanize my pet. Okay, I've asked you to clarify now. Happy? "Arrogant"? LOL Silly, I am one of the most humble people you'll ever encounter. However, I have learned to always consider the source. And if you think I'm going to let your silly little mind set bother me, you should reconsider. Incidentally, whenever, I have a personal pet killed, it is done by someone who has every bit of self confidence, [arrogance, if you prefer], as I do. I'll be looking forward to hearing about those complications you mentioned. ___________________________ "You didn't think we give tickets to pretty women? You're right, we don't. Sign here." > I'll be looking forward to hearing about those complications you > mentioned. Find out yourself. You're not worth my time. <plonk> >> "Play doctor"? Don't make me laugh. > >I don't understand this comment at all. Please elaborate. I can't answer for Michael, but : Do you think that a layperson becoming a certified euthanasia tech for the purpose of euthanizing unwanted animals is playing doctor? Most vets don't want to donate or discount their services to go to shelters and euthanize X number of healthy animals - that's not what they went to vet school for. Shelter personnel understand this. So if vets won't do it and laypeople doing it is "playing doctor", who's supposed to do the euthanasia? Mustang Sally >>I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the >>euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. > >In our state since the product is a heavily monitored controlled substance, >it can only be administered by a veterinarian. Can't imagine any other state >would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it. Well, they do, and it's not playing doctor. Veterinarians charge money for euthanasia, sometimes a lot of money, and most shelters can't afford to pay a fee for each animal they are forced to euthanize. Mustang Sally > >I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the > >euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. > > In our state since the product is a heavily monitored controlled > substance, it can only be administered by a veterinarian. Can't imagine > any other state would let non-licensed folks play doctor with it. Interesting... You learn something new every day. Just googled "Certified Euthanasia Technician", seems they exist in many states. Specifics seem to depend on the specific state. Do these people work at all outside the shelter/animal control environment? Or is it just something that states have allowed so that shelters can 'process' more animals. (I for one would never hire a CET personally to euthanize any of my animals, I'd much rather a vet do it). Dale >Do these people work at all outside the shelter/animal control environment? >Or is it just something that states have allowed so that shelters can >'process' more animals. (I for one would never hire a CET personally to >euthanize any of my animals, I'd much rather a vet do it). Yes, they do: at least, privately, on very rare occasions. FYI, because of vastly more practice, a CET can do a better job than most vets; and most likely with a more loving attitude. I respect your right to your preferences and opinions. _______________________________ "Some people learn something new every day, others just get 24 hours older." >> >I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the >> >euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >'process' more animals. (I for one would never hire a CET personally to >euthanize any of my animals, I'd much rather a vet do it). You're missing the point. Mustang Sally >>Do these people work at all outside the shelter/animal control >>environment? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mustang Sally No, I don't think I am, or if I am, perhaps you could explain the point to me. I'm just curious about things that fall beside the main topic of interest. (The point I assume is that CETs can perform euthanasias for shelters for presumably cheaper than than a vet would, taking some of the pressure off the shelter, and allowing them to make do with fewer resources). Dale >>>Do these people work at all outside the shelter/animal control >>>environment? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >me. I'm just curious about things that fall beside the main topic of >interest. Okay. I do actually know one person who planned to become a CET and offer those services to pet owners, but she was a pond-scum sort of person anyway. Although as I recall she planned to offer the service in people's homes, and I do wish my vet would do that; still, that doesn't change that she was a money-hungry, pond-scummy individual. I would never hire a CET to euthanize my animals either. >(The point I assume is that CETs can perform euthanasias for shelters for >presumably cheaper than than a vet would, taking some of the pressure off >the shelter, and allowing them to make do with fewer resources). Yes. Many vets refuse to euthanize healthy animals in their clinics, and there usually aren't many willing to euthanize healthy animals in the numbers that many shelters see. Note that I'm not criticizing the vets for their position. However, if the vets won't do it, or won't do it at a price that shelters can afford, and laypersons shouldn't "play doctor", who's supposed to do it? Mustang Sally > Yes. Many vets refuse to euthanize healthy animals in their clinics, > and there usually aren't many willing to euthanize healthy animals in > the numbers that many shelters see. Note that I'm not criticizing the > vets for their position. However, if the vets won't do it, or won't > do it at a price that shelters can afford, and laypersons shouldn't > "play doctor", who's supposed to do it? I don't know many (any?) vets who would refuse to euthanize an animal from a shelter given good reason (space/resoureces being a potential 'good reason'). I have seen them tempted to refuse, or attempt rehabilitation themselves though when they don't think the shelter has given the animal a fair shot. Some stats for the local shelter (just got these in the mail). From Jan 1. to March 1. Total Animals seen to date: 259 Total Animals Euthanized: 14 Total Animals Died of illness: 0 This particular shelter has just announced plans to build an 'in shelter' animal hospital, and will (presumably) be hiring a vet to work directly for them. If a shelter this size can justify it, I don't see why a larger one wouldn't be able to. (Currently the veterinary work is 'farmed out' to the clinics in town. The clinics give them a discount on services because of who they are). The shelter in Calgary has at least 3 vets on staff, who perform all the spay/neuters, as well as the euthanasias. I don't know how animal control in Calgary operates. Dale >I don't know many (any?) vets who would refuse to euthanize an animal from a >shelter given good reason (space/resoureces being a potential 'good >reason'). That's good. As I said before, in our area, most of them do. Again, I'm not saying I blame them. >I have seen them tempted to refuse, or attempt rehabilitation >themselves though when they don't think the shelter has given the animal a >fair shot. Well, there are shelters and there are shelters. Some don't have the resources - often meaning simply space - to attempt rehabilitation of each animal. Vets often don't realize that. >Some stats for the local shelter (just got these in the mail). > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >them. If a shelter this size can justify it, I don't see why a larger one >wouldn't be able to. It's not a matter of justifying it; it's a matter of being able to afford it. Most shelters cannot afford to hire a vet to work directly for them. If you don't believe me, spend some time in shelters, and I'm talking about public shelters - dog pounds, whatever you want to call them. Many animals shelters cannot afford to hire a vet to work directly for them. It's as simple as that. Mustang Sally >>This particular shelter has just announced plans to build an 'in shelter' >>animal hospital, and will (presumably) be hiring a vet to work directly [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mustang Sally Sorry, I should have been more careful with my language. When I said 'justify' I meant justify on a financial basis. In other words they have enough regular contact with verterinarians to 'justify' hiring one of their own (at least part time) to work directly for them, and for this to be financially a good idea. I'm getting a strong feeling that things work somewhat differently where you are than where I am. Here there are several different types of places an animal might end up if they are lost/homeless. They may be taken in by 'animal control'. In Cochrane animal control shares facilities with the Cochrane Humane Society, and there is somewhat of a blur between them. To the best of my knowledge, the way it works, is they will house an animal for a certain amount of time. If not claimed in some length of time, then it goes to become a 'ward' of the Humane Society. There aren't too many dogs or cats that are in the custody of animal control at any one time. Dogs will stay at the Humane Society for a fairly lengthy period of time if they aren't adopted out but are deemed 'adoptable' (if they aren't deemed adoptable, they will stay until there is a space crunch, at which point they euthanize from least adoptable on up). While the animal is in the custody of the Humane Society they take responsibility for it. This includes medical expenses. If the medical expenses are judged extreme (this varies on a case by case basis) then they elect to euthanize. All animals leaving the Cochrane Humane Society are Spayed/Neutered I've spent fairly lengthy amounts of time at the Cochrane Shelter. There are also more private rescues which have screening proceedures over who they will and won't 'let in'. These are generally surrendered animals. In Calgary, the situation is somewhat different. Animal Control has their own facility, which I haven't visited. I understand that they have a certain length of time that they will hold an animal for, and then they will try to adopt it out. I'm unsure of any of the details with them though, as their presence is fairly minimal (this is where your dog goes though if the city picks it up directly). Calgary Humane Society operates similarly to the Cochrane Humane Society, however due to volume, they have a "First in First Out" policy (in other words if you're there for more than x days, your toast..the number of days varies from time to time, but this is because of over crowding issues). The Calgary Humane Society had 3 vets working directly for them when I was volunteering there. Dale To > the best of my knowledge, the way it works, is they will house an animal for > a certain amount of time. If not claimed in some length of time, then it > goes to become a 'ward' of the Humane Society. > In Calgary, the situation is somewhat different. Animal Control has their > own facility, which I haven't visited. I understand that they have a certain > length of time that they will hold an animal for, and then they will try to > adopt it out. .....In my small town the county animal control euthanizes a great many of their unclaimed animals. No space. No room at the Inn at the Humane Soc. either. Animal Control is trying to change this though. They are hoping to expand the facilities and adopt out more animals. This is mostly due to a new director who has a vision. But with budget crunches, it probably won't happen soon. buglady take out the dog before replying > Do these people work at all outside the shelter/animal control > environment? Or is it just something that states have allowed so that > shelters can 'process' more animals. (I for one would never hire a CET > personally to euthanize any of my animals, I'd much rather a vet do it). Don't know. In our area, only veterinarians do this. Our SPCA's have arrangements with local vets to provide services. Our local towns contract with vets to house their strays and provide first aid if necessary. -Sharon > I don't know about where you are, but I know at the shelters here, the > euthanasias are generally performed by a veterinarian. Don't know what > the law is, but given that most shelters are going to have pretty > regular contact with verterinarians, for other, non euthanasia related > issues, I imagine that this is not uncommon. Dale, I think we are talking about Animal Control. I know our county in Ohio provides NO medical care for animals. The Humane Society does. But if animal control picks up a HBC, it either suffers it out, until their 3 days are up, or they are immediately shot, if the situation is obvious that they will not survive. Parvo cases are not treated at all. The animals are not even humanely put to sleep. They are merely allowed to suffer out their three days (if they live that long) >...I know our county in Ohio provides NO medical care for animals. The Humane >Society does. But if animal control picks up a HBC, it either suffers it >out, until their 3 days are up, or they are immediately shot, if the >situation is obvious that they will not survive. Oh, Diddy, that's how it is here, too--except lethal injection is used. It really disturbs me to see a HBC in the isolation area waiting out its three days--or five for purebreds or spayed/neutered animals. And the public has no idea. I'm going to try to get a law passed to change all this. As you know, it can get complicated. __________________________ When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. >...Who currently does the euthanasias for the shelter you're working at? Have >you spoken with them? Our shelter is small, but has a high volume. There is no vet on staff. Euthanasias are performed by four certified euthanasia technicians--none of whom are interested in discussing the procedure for becoming a CET. Fortunately, a Net search is beginning to provide some answers. I am rather outspoken about the shelter, much like an employed adversary. Consequently, I am not kept in "the loop" or offered opportunities to broaden my capabilities. I contribute a lot of volunteer time, and perform well on the clock. That is how the shelter would like to keep me. ________________________ Whatever it takes. >>...Who currently does the euthanasias for the shelter you're working at? >>Have [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > volunteer time, and perform well on the clock. That is how the shelter > would like to keep me. And you anticipate that becoming a "Euthanasia Technician" will broaden your horizons at the shelter? I'm having a hard time seeing how, without their cooperation this would do you any good. Dale >And you anticipate that becoming a "Euthanasia Technician" will broaden your >horizons at the shelter? I'm having a hard time seeing how, without their >cooperation this would do you any good. Additional skills almost always makes an employee more valuable. Besides there are other cities, and other shelters. Not to mention, the current shelter director won't live forever. :-) Don't you ever just want to learn something new, or gain a new skill? I believe that is why we live! ________________________ "...Other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay "Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in message > Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live in > Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee? How much > is the fee apt to be? > > The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my life, but I > would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you. I should mention, there is lots to do at a shelter other than cleaning kennels and euthanasia. There is plenty to do in the general 'care and maintenance' department, giving animals meds, grooming, etc. If you're not interested in going that way, what about some of the admin stuff? Adoption, fund raising etc? Dale >I should mention, there is lots to do at a shelter other than cleaning >kennels and euthanasia. There is plenty to do in the general 'care and >maintenance' department, giving animals meds, grooming, etc. If you're not >interested in going that way, what about some of the admin stuff? Adoption, >fund raising etc? Yes, you are correct. The shelter director informed a local newspaper editor that I am one of the best employees the shelter has ever had. I take on the heavy lifting and dirty jobs. I contribute equipment, and have tried (in vain) to improve procedures. I perform minor maintenance. I develop and/or edit many of the shelter's more important documents. I notarize documents for the shelter and staff. I write to the local newspaper editor about animal abuse and the things faced by shelter employees. My letters have been known to make grown men cry. I make customized, computer-generated signs for special dogs that might otherwise get ignored. I am not paid to groom or nurture dogs, but that is where I excel. So, I do it as a volunteer. I work with the most frightened, rowdy, and/or unkempt dogs. I am infinitely patient with dogs and go hands-on with dogs no other employee wants to touch--especially off the clock. I have never see another employee volunteer their time at the shelter. I furnish my own tools and supplies. It is an absolute thrill to see a dog go from being ignored to being adopted, and realize it happened because of changes I made in the dog. Although shelter visitors often praise me and shake my hand, when they realize who I am, I get almost zero recognition from the shelter (unfortunately, neither do other employees). Fortunately, I don't need praise from the shelter management. I know I do a better job than most of my coworkers, and my volunteer time is a joy they will never know. I would not be good for fund raising or office work because my speech, hearing and vission are failing. If I did fund raising, it would be for the Hospital Guest House, where I am the resident manager. _______________________ When I die, I want to go where dogs go! "Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in message >>I should mention, there is lots to do at a shelter other than cleaning >>kennels and euthanasia. There is plenty to do in the general 'care and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > been known to make grown men cry. I make customized, computer-generated > signs for special dogs that might otherwise get ignored. It doesn't sound to me like you're just "cleaning kennels". You've already moved well beyond that, although that continues to remain part of what you're doing (is this what you're upset about? I get the impression from your post that its more that you don't get recognition for all the other hard work you put in). If I were you, I'd probably try to sit down with the shelter director, and have a little chat about expanding what your 'official' duties are. Dale >It doesn't sound to me like you're just "cleaning kennels". You've already >moved well beyond that, although that continues to remain part of what >you're doing (is this what you're upset about? I get the impression from >your post that its more that you don't get recognition for all the other >hard work you put in)... I don't recall saying I'm upset, but you are correct: I am. However, it involves office politics more than anything else, and not worth discussion here. I have found the information I came here for. As for not getting recognition, I believe I stated that is not a concern of mine. Recognition only matters when it comes from someone you respect; and there aren't many such people on staff at the shelter. I mentioned that visitors recognize me because I'm often doing what I write about to the editor: down on my knees working with some poor dog. ________________________ Whatever it takes. |
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