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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / April 200814 Year Old Dog with Bald Spots
Hi all, this might be a dumb question - but you have all been great with your advise and help to me. A few months back we took our Beagle into the vet to check on a spot on her leg that had a bump - the vet took a sample and sent us home with medication to put on it. Since then everything has been fine - but today i noticed that the balding area has gotten larger - but the bump (which is slighly raised) is not red or irriated. It doesn't bother her if her touch and poke it - but just pink skin exposed. I then took a closer look and noticed her paw has a little balding where her nails are. Is this somewhat common on older dogs? I know at my age I'm loosing my hair - but just wondering if this is something I should be alarmed about. > Hi all, this might be a dumb question - but you have all been great > with your advise and help to me. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I know at my age I'm loosing my hair - but just wondering if this is > something I should be alarmed about. PS: and by wondering if this is something I should be alarmed about , I mean my dog - not me loosing my hair - just in case I needed to clarify. > A few months back we took our Beagle into the vet to check on a spot > on her leg that had a bump - the vet took a sample and sent us home > with medication to put on it. .........What did he say it was? What was the meds he gave you? > I then took a closer look and noticed her paw has a little balding > where her nails are. > Is this somewhat common on older dogs? ......Nope dogs don't normally have male pattern baldness! <g> buglady take out the dog before replying > > on her leg that had a bump - the vet took a sample and sent us home > > with medication to put on it. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Hi Buglady, Tresaderm (by Merial) is what he gave me - he said only if the area looked irratated , red etc.. should we let him know and he would send the sample to the lab. The skin had gone to a typical pink skin colour so we never followed up. But the bump remained. You can see it more now cause there is more exposed skin around it. I don't know if it's from her licking either - cause she is an outdoor dog (who lives in a dog mansion - but that's besides the point) so we don't see what she does at night. But now that the skin area is more exposed - the hair is receading more - I am wondering if I should be more concerned. Thank goodness they don't suffer from male pattern baldness ! LOL I don't know if it's from her licking either - cause she is an outdoor dog (who lives in a dog mansion - but that's besides the point) so we don't see what she does at night. .......If it was a lick granuloma it would be noticeable - pink hair around bald spot, reddish skin. But now that the skin area is more exposed - the hair is receading more - I am wondering if I should be more concerned. .......Honestly I don't know. If it is something that is spreading it should be investigated. Lumps not on the trunk of the body are rarely lipomas, so that's another issue. buglady take out the dog before replying > I don't know if it's > from her licking either - cause she is an outdoor dog (who lives in a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying The lump itself is not growing or spreading - just the hair around it it becoming more exposed. And the bump is pinkish - not red or irritated. > I don't know if it's > from her licking either - cause she is an outdoor dog (who lives in a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying The lump/bump itself is not spreading any more - it's just more exposed due to the fur around it receding. The skin is a regular pink colour - not irritated or anything. Hey Buglady - I thought that I would update the post. I took her into the vet on the weekend and the vet said he wasn't overly concerned with it - but left it up to us if we wanted to remove it. He said that he see's this alot (epecially in older dogs during the winter when they are alone or inactive), and thinks it may be lick granuloma as you said - but can't guarentee. He said the bump is thick and raised - and without a biospy he won't know what is it. First concern with lumps / growths is cancer so I alway get nervous when I see things like this - but I am trying to stay rational about it. When he sent the scraping of it out to the lab they ruled out fungal growth. Is there anything else I should try before putting her under the knife/ anesthetic? At her age I am concerned she won't wake up from being put under. She has already been put under once already this year (in late January for a dental extraction). Do you guys have any advice , or other things I should ask the vet before I decide to get this "growth" removed? Could it be irritation from licking etc.. which caused a growth of some kind? I would appreciate any help. Thanks all! > I don't know if it's > from her licking either - cause she is an outdoor dog (who lives in a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Hi All, sorry for the long emails. I spoke to the vet just now - and his partner said that he was concerned it "might" be a tumor of some sort based on it's elevation and size. So I plan on bringing her in to see the vet I deal with regularly on Saturday morning. If it's Cancerous (or he thinks it should be removed safety with anestheic) I am going to have it removed obviously. But since the mind jumps right to Cancer as soon as you hear tumors or growths - I want it removed ASAP. But at that age I don't know if I want to put her through the recover of surgery on her leg of all places. He also suggested it could be an irritation that she keeps biting at which is causing it to grow - but seeing as how it's not irritated / red / scabby looking - I am thinking that's not the case. It scares me to death to think this could be something that could take her from me. Does anyone have any other advise they can offer? Would tumors result in hair loss around a given area? > Hey Buglady - I thought that I would update the post. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - So I plan on bringing her in to see the vet I deal with regularly on Saturday morning. If it's Cancerous (or he thinks it should be removed safety with anestheic) I am going to have it removed obviously. ...........Get a full blood panel run first - CBC and chem. He also suggested it could be an irritation that she keeps biting at which is causing it to grow - but seeing as how it's not irritated / red / scabby looking - I am thinking that's not the case. ........If you haven't seen her chewing on it and the surrounding fur is not pink, I doubt that's the case. Does anyone have any other advise they can offer? Would tumors result in hair loss around a given area? ........Could be a histiocytoma, some kind of cyst, foreign body. I'd thoroughly discuss the various ways of getting a sample: FNA - fine needle aspirate - not always successful in finding out what it is, but is the least invasive; punch biopsy, wedge biopsy - requires anesthesia and while it seems counterintuitive to not take the whole lump right off, any cancerous lump should be taken with the biggest margin possible. And if it's on the lower leg, there's not much skin there, which makes it difficult. If it is cancer, they should be able to debulk it, but maybe not get the whole thing, requiring further treatment. Or you could just have it removed, then sent to a pathologist. ......Try not to freak out too much. Consider how long the dog has had this lump, how much it has expanded, it at all, and whether or not the lump or surrounding leg is tender, or the dog has any tendency to limp on that leg, the state of the nearest lymph nodes, etc. From what you've described it sounds like it is just sitting there. I would imagine that if it were bone cancer, you'd have seen indications of pain by now. Which I guess is another thing you could do - X-ray the leg to look at the bone at that spot. ......You'll have to decide what to do. I can't see your dog! Even though FNAs won't always tell you what is going on, perhaps it would be a place to start, as it is the least invasive procedure, and just might yield an answer. Best of luck,, please post back. buglady take out the dog before replying > So I plan on bringing her in to see the vet I deal with > regularly on Saturday morning. If it's Cancerous (or he thinks it > should be removed safety with anestheic) I am going to have it removed > obviously. > > ...........Get a full blood panel run first - CBC and chem. ***She just had the full Blood and Chem done in Feb and her levels are fine - but another won't hurt! You are right.*** > He also suggested it could be an irritation that she keeps biting at > which is causing it to grow - but seeing as how it's not irritated / [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > bone cancer, you'd have seen indications of pain by now. Which I guess is > another thing you could do - X-ray the leg to look at the bone at that spot. *****She had it from what I have seen since she started licking it - for at best maybe since January or February of this year. It's not on her bone (from what I know) as the vet was squeezing it and it was plyable through his fingers. She didn't react to it either as he was doing it - just sat there. She's strong on her legs - and pulls it away quite forcefully as I try to put the ointment on the area. ***** > ......You'll have to decide what to do. I can't see your dog! Even though > FNAs won't always tell you what is going on, perhaps it would be a place to > start, as it is the least invasive procedure, and just might yield an > answer. *** Sorry , what are FNA's? Your right - I don't want to do something to her that will hut her - so I will talk to the vet when I see him on Saturday. He is very very humane on his actions - and only cuts when he has too..which is comforting. **** > Best of luck,, please post back. > buglady > take out the dog before replying **** Thank you for all your help - it is comforting! ** : FNA - fine needle > aspirate - *** Sorry , what are FNA's? > : FNA - fine needle > > > aspirate - > > *** Sorry , what are FNA's? Thanks BugLady! I will do everything I can for my little one - she's been there for me for the past 14 years (and even during my youth when I thought my social life was so important). I will keep you posted on the results. But just a question: You mentioned in your last post about having a possible idea that it may not be Bone Cancer..i just wanted to know something for my knowledge. And I apologize for my lack of knowledge - but does bone cancer grow directly off the bones itself? Reason I am asking is that this growth (which looks skin colour, maybe a bit more red than the pink skin itself), is soft and ply able away from the bone.. and when we go to grab her leg she doesn't react to it. Just typically trying to pull it away etc.. She doesn't cry or wimper/yelp...so her leg itself isn't tender to touch. Even when she was at the vet, and he was squeezing it rather intensely, she was just sitting there on the table looking at me. If it were bone cancer would it effect the performance of her leg? Or in the early stages of it? I know you can't answer anything without seeing the dog etc.. but just from a theory/experience point of view. Thank you again for all your help, and again sorry for sounding stupid with all the questions. >If it were bone cancer would it effect the performance of her leg? ...Yes http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_canine_osteosarcoma.html Lumps and bumps: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1638&articleid=424 buglady take out the dog before replying > >If it were bone cancer would it effect the performance of her leg? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Hi Buglady ! Thank you for this - wow - great reads. I take some time and go through it carefully tonight at home. When you hear Potentially Tumerous etc.. 'fatal' is the first thing I think about without having gone to the next stage. But reading the bone cancer page in brief - my little one does not showcase any of that pain etc. I have applied pressure on the growth and like I said - no reaction. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens on her next appointment. Thank you again! > > "Tdotnewbie" <toront...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thank you again! Hi all, I took my dog in this morning to the vet and he said he thinks it may be one of the following: -Wart -Obsessive Disorder / Over Licking (i forgot the name) -Tumor Either way I am bringing her in on Monday to have it removed, he suggested that as well. She has lots of skin in that area so he's not concerned with the healing (sometimes there isn't enough skin to work with). He's an oldschool vet - years and years of knowledge - so I often trust his word and action as he has been our family very with family dogs before I was born. But if anyone has any suggestions or things I should ask I would appeciate the info. Fingers Crossed! >> > "Tdotnewbie" <toront...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -Wart > -Obsessive Disorder / Over Licking (i forgot the name) Lick granuloma > -Tumor > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fingers Crossed! Fingers Crossed! Either way I am bringing her in on Monday to have it removed, he suggested that as well. She has lots of skin in that area ........That's good! I didn't remember if it was down close to the paw or not. anyone has any suggestions or things I should ask I would appeciate the info. ........I'd certainly want the tissue sent off to a pathologist. Often a vet with a lot of experience can take an educated guess as to what it is, but still doing a histopath is best. And I can no longer remember if you had bloodwork done, but certainly a chem panel should be run before surgery due to age. Other than that, I can't think of anything, besides pain control after surgery! best of luck, let us know how it goes. buglady take out the dog before replying > Either way I am bringing her in on Monday to have it removed, he > suggested that as well. She has lots of skin in that area [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Thank you, it's close to the paw near the wrist i suppose? But he said that she had enough skin to avoid a problem. I will get it sent off for sure!! I want to be very proactive with this - and if it's something bad I'd like to do what I can now to control or prevent. She's too important to me! She had blood work done in January - and levels were fine. We had a scare with a mild bacteria that was effecting blood count, but that was resolved. He said he will try to do a local anesthetic before a full one to avoid having to knock her out - he doesn't like to use it on older dogs - but he said she's a candidate for it anyways if needed. Bug lady - you have been fantastic! thank you! Fingers crossed for monday..and the results! > Either way I am bringing her in on Monday to have it removed, he > suggested that as well. She has lots of skin in that area [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Hey all, So my buddy returned home after a long day at the vet - minus 1 growth and the addition of a hot pink bandage. She was running around with it until the pain killers wore off and she started limping. Then she started at the bandage to get it off - this is going to be fun! The growth is sent off to the pathologist - but the vet said he's not too concerned about a tumor - more like a wart or a growth caused by over licking. But he put 'tumor' on the report as the last thing to check just to be sure that he can eliminate that possibility. The plastic collar doesn't do anything for her - she knows how to get it off , or get around it. So I am hoping she doesn't pick at it to much and get at the sticthes under there. Would it help to rub something on the bandage to stop her from getting at it? Some kind of ointment or oil that would taste bad to her? > Would it help to rub something on the bandage to stop her from getting > at it? Some kind of ointment or oil that would taste bad to her? FWIW, a vet where I used to live 15 years ago had a salve that seemed to stop most animals from picking at stitches. It was a mixture of carbolated vaseline and liquid metronidazole, a bad tasting antibiotic... the recipe was pretty simple -- take an aliquot of the carbolated vaseline and add a drop at a time of liquid metronidazole and stir. Continue to add metronidazole until the salve started looking creamy and opaque. Carbolated vaseline seems to be a thing of the past, but I had a cat who was determined to chew through anything to get to a surgical wound. I mentioned the salve to our new vets, and we decided to make some up as an experiment, using "Bag Balm" (the stuff in the green can) as the base. I think we used about 10 drops of metronidazole in about a tablespoon of Bag Balm, and applied it lightly to the wound with a q-tip and added a layer of vetwrap. Cat seemed rather displeased -- the goo seemed to smell bad and taste bad, but he didn't do any more stitch chewing -- which was the same reaction cats had to the original salve. Might be worth talking to your vet about if there's nothing "official" better. Kay > > Would it help to rub something on the bandage to stop her from getting > > at it? Some kind of ointment or oil that would taste bad to her? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Kay Good morning everyone! Turns out after the testing - my little one has Lick Granuloma (as Bug Lady originally said). I feel bad having put her through the removal of the growth, the stitches etc.. but I would rather know this now than having left it and it would have been something worse - like the C word. :) Anyways - thank you to all once again! It was a scare but I am happy I went through the proper steps! Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@hotmail.com - 11 Apr 2008 01:35 GMT HOWEDY Tdotnewbie, On Mar 29, 12:49 pm, "buglady" <buglad...@bigfootdog.com> wrote: > "Tdotnewbie" <toront...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:c5a0de44-d984-4a89-8ae9-7649fce73c8e@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory. I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) > I've got more than forty years professional EXXXPERIENCE raising and training giant breed working dogs, Great Danes and English Mastiffs, among others, and SPECIALIZING in temperament and behavior problems and protection training in ALL breeds <{}: ~ ) > Here's my manual: http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm There you will find ALL the FREE information you need to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family. Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) > >> Either way I am bringing her in on Monday to have it removed, >> he suggested that as well. She has lots of skin in that area It's INCONCEIVABLE to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard that ANY INTELLIGENT, ETHICKAL, REPUTABLE veterinarian would have difficulty DIEagnosing paw licking granulomas *(an obsessive compulsive disorder [OCD]), OR, that they would recommend SURGERY for this ubiquitHOWES, EZily treatable, SELF MUTILATION, STRESS INDUCED CONdition <{}: ~ ( > >> ........That's good! I didn't remember if it was >> down close to the paw or not. Perhaps bugF'nNUTS is havin a case of cognitive disorder to compliment her chronic LYIN? >> anyone has any suggestions or things I >> should ask I would appeciate the info. Oh, INDEEDY~! Although paw licking granulomas / self mutilation is amongst the most difficult of behavioral CONditions to CURE, it's EZ to EXXXTINGUISH simply by briefly, variably, alternately distracting and INSTANTLY praising for 5-15 seconds upon OBSERVING any licking of the site and doing The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's Four Step HEELING Pattern EXXXORCISE for 5 minutes daily for maybe WON WEEK and then every other day for 5 minutes for a couple of weeks till the wounds are HEELED and the HABIT is fully EXXXTINGUISHED <{}: ~ ) > >> ........I'd certainly want the tissue sent off to a pathologist. Of curse you're welcome to subject your dog to UNNECESSARY surgical mutilation; many dogs get their toes and feet amptuated, some are even gently, humanely MURDERD for this ubiquitHOWES, EZily treatable STRESS INDUCED MUTILATION <{}: ~ ( > >> Often a vet with a lot of experience can take an educated >> guess as to what it is, but still doing a histopath is best. Yeah, UNLESS, of curse, the STRESS INDUCED CONdition can be EXXXTINGUISHED in just a few minutes of stress reducing EXXXORCISES. Then the veterinary malpracticioner, his aspirations, surgery, and biopsies would be UNNECESSARY and the veterinary malpracticioner's BANKROLL *(as well as his STAFF'S) would SUFFER. Did bugF'nNUTS mention she works for a veterinary malpracticioner?? >> And I can no longer remember if you had bloodwork done, Well then, LUCKY THING every thing is ARCHIVED on these forums. >> but certainly a chem panel should be run before surgery due to age. HOWE COME would ANY ethickal, reputable dog lover recommend ANY critter undergo the risks of UNNECESSARY surgery? Here's a HINT: THEY MAKE THEIR LIVIN OFF OF MUTILATIONS. >> Other than that, I can't think of anything, besides >> pain control after surgery! Of curse not~! The dog has had PROBLEMS for chewin the bandage. That can EZily be EXXXTINGUISHED using the aforementioned distraction and praise techniques. HOWE COME do you suppHOWES noWON mentioned THAT pryor?? HERE'S A HINT: These pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life- long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASES got their entire lives vested in their own DEATHLY ILL DOGS having CHRONIC DIS-EASE, it's called MuncHOWESEN By Proxy <{}: ~ ( > You see, we AIN'T dealin with DOG BEHAVIOR problems here, we're dealin with HUMAN PSYCHIATRIC DIS-EASE. >> best of luck, Dog trainin and behavior and heelth AIN'T LUCK: "Luck is for SUCKERS. NEVER make a SUCKER'S bet," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ) > >> let us know how it goes. BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! >> buglady >> take out the dog before replying > Hey all, You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten Lyin Animal Murderin Punk Thug Cowards And Active Accute Chronic Life-Long Incurable Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASES,' don't you, Tdotnewbie. > So my buddy returned home after a long day at the vet - > minus 1 growth and the addition of a hot pink bandage. AND *you* came back several hundred hard earned dollars poorer. > She was running around with it until the pain > killers wore off and she tarted limping. HOWEver, she WASN'T limping PRYOR, was she, Tdotnewbie. IN FACT, she didn't appear to be in ANY PAIN pryor to your veterinary malpracticioner RAPIN you an your poor innocent defenseless dog, DID SHE, Tdotnewbie <{}: ~ ( > > Then she started at the bandage to get it off - Bandages and stoping the licking won't solve the cause of the problem. THAT'S HOWE COME you gotta follow the instructions in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual and do all the exercises as instructed and ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. Telling him not to lick is going to increase his anxiHOWESNESS and insecurity and may cause other OCD behaviors. Like this: "I posted this to rec.pets.dogs.health without too much success. Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. > this is going to be fun! Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?: Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 schreef in bericht "Paul B" <ab...@clear.net.nz> news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz... > Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot > somewhere on their bodies and I have always [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, > keeping a close eye. > To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it > some friendly banter, when it starts licking again > I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops, > for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat, > before long the dog has no more desire to lick that > spot at all. The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing and licking his tail at the root. After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching) After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he stopped. -- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ -------------------------------------- "Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl> wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00... RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. ============ > The growth is sent off to the pathologist - but the vet said > he's not too concerned about a tumor - more like a wart or > a growth caused by over licking. Licking granulomas are VERY common amongst Great Danes and English Mastiffs, especially when kenneled. > But he put 'tumor' on the report as the last thing to check > just to be sure that he can eliminate that possibility. Had you been PAYIN ATTENTION to the INFORMATION I've been posting or had read the heelth pages on my website: http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/nutritionhealthcareve.htm, you'd have SAVED your dog from goin through UNNECESSARY surgery and WASTING a few hundred bucks <{}:~ ( > HOWEver, I find it difficult, no, IMPOSSIBLE to believe, you didn't notice my posts pryor, and THAT'S HOWE COME I always sez "DECENT PEOPLE DON'T POST HERE" and my DADDY SEZ "You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. Birds of a feather. When you lie with PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em" <{}';~ ) > > The plastic collar doesn't do anything for her - Naaaah?? Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?: "Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl> wrote in message schreef inbericht news:DLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch). After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt. I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts. I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for somebody like me. The minute he started to bite i trew my key's next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times, after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try. One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ------------------ > she knows how to get it off , or get around it. Yeah. Perhaps your veterinary malpracticioner can prescribe some anti-anXXXIHOWESNESS medication? > So I am hoping she doesn't pick at it to > much and get at the sticthes under there. Yeah. I wouldn't bet on it <{}: ~ ( > > Would it help to rub something on the bandage > to stop her from getting at it? If you address the BEHAVIORAL aspects you won't need an aversive, HOWEver, there IS WON cited on my website, just in case you need it, if you CAN'T DO SUMPTHIN LIKE THIS <{}: ~ ) >: From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz) Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food) Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl without too much difficulty. My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-) I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed with immediate praise. It worked a treat. The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door. Paul -- Obedience and affection are not related, if they were everyone would have obedient dogs. ------------------------ SEE?? > Some kind of ointment or oil that would taste bad to her? The PROBLEM for usin aversives or surgically removing licking granulomas, etc, is, that the dog will often select ANOTHER SITE or behavior as an anXXXIHOWESNESS relief mechanism <{}';~ ) > SO, it AIN'T OVER till The Fat Lady Sings <{}: ~ ( > In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. "Things do not change; we change." - Henry David Thoreau "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad." - ~Aldous Huxley. "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbstvergebens!" "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"- -Friedrich Schiller. 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