Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / April 2008

cesar's way: R.I.P. Butch <{}:* ~ ( >

http://tinyurl.com/3ymr73
       -
The Anti-cesar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAgupEhU8w

Musical Dogs: http://tinyurl.com/2rvu23

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive. Those who torment us for our own good will
torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own
conscience," C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny,"Aeschylus (525BC)

http://tinyurl.com/6fjgeq

HOWEDY cjanderson,

INDEEDY~!

Here's the RESULT of the ces's "PSYCHOLGICAL
dog trainin" bleedin the SPIRIT HOWETA him:

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x272/TheIncredibly
SimplyAmazingPuppyWizard/?action=view&current=cesareng
bullhoseBITE.jpg

Dogs GET MURDERED over attackin their handlers.

INDEEDY. the ces gets attacked more often in a WON
HOWER episode than I have in forty years specializing
in temperament and behavior problem modification in
mostly giant breed working dogs and protection dog
training <{}: ~ ( >

Well then, blame the "TRAINERS" like z dog wheeesperer who's
crude, cruddy, backwards, backwoods, vulgar, archaic, barbaric,
viciHOWES, ignorameHOWES, INEFFECTIVE, abusive methods that
have set the dog behavior industry back fifty years and are
responsible for the racist Pit Bull breed ban legislation /
media hysteria <{}: ~ ( >

Where do you suppHOWES the ces got all his thirty
sumpthin RESCUED dogs in his PSYCHOLOGY CENTER??:

        Adventures Of Z Dog Wheeesperer <{}: ~ ) >
                  z dog wheeesperer
            Takes On Red Zone Cases:
                 "Dog Aggression"
            Curley, Razor, And Baxter

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_frm/thread/7d526ffd
7367223b/a35e7f1ccb46dccf?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=%22musical+dogs%22#a35e7f1ccb46dccf
                      OR:
              http://tinyurl.com/2rvu23

ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

So, because some people are AFRAID of their dogs, dogs whom
they've PROBABLY inadvertently ABUSED on the instruction of
PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINERS and university trained behaviorists,
that, in *your* opinion, justifies bullying and intimidating
dogs into submission or until they TURN ON THEM??:

            "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
                  so utterly beyond value."

                 Like a confessor Priest?

          "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                    --John Galsworthy.

           Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                  Their behaviors reflect
          HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
          Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Oh, EXXXCUSE ME~! I meant to say they deamonstrated
their calm submissive energy through leadership.

               DESPITE THAT:

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

               DESPITE THAT:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC.  Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.

               DESPITE THAT:

"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.

               DESPITE THAT:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."

B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment

Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:

If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.

People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.

The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.

Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.

          ----------------------------

               DESPITE THAT:

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

                DESPITE THAT:

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

                 DESPITE THAT:

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated.

                  DESPITE THAT:

Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
of operant programers."

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               YOU WANT MORE SCIENCE??

Or do you PREFER usin z dog wheeesperer's "PSYCHOLOGY"?

cesar is a dog abusin coward who's viciHOWES attacks
on innocent defenseless dumb critters publicized by
National Geographic T.V. has raped the minds of gulible
ignorameHOWESES who've been TAUGHT to believe that you
can BEAT CHOKE SHOCK and INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless
dumb critters *(like the Iraqis) to accept your brand
of PSYCHOLOGICAL LEADERSHIP.

He's NO better than President Saddam OR President Bush:

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood
enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

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DOGS DIE from that kind of ABUSE.

                  LIKE THAT~!

              BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

       HERE'S HOWE COME - HERE'S THE SCIENCE:

In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY, you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars
for shock and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING and witholding
attention and affection:

           Psychological Effects

At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?

"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.

It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.

Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).

The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.

One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.

It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.

The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.

They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake,  at least in the presence of their owners.

This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.

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