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The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room@hotmail.com - 10 Apr 2008 20:29 GMT
The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room
              Stomps Fear Of Thunder <{}'; ~ ) >

EXTINGUISH ALL Phobias NEARLY INSTANTLY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GZvaN_iVI&feature=PlayL
ist&p=C17C3488C0B1CA82&index=0&playnext=1

         OR:

http://tinyurl.com/56psjd

Here's The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room's FREE training manual:
http://relinkz.com/The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room's_Training_Manual

Here's dog abusin coward, cesar millan,'z dog wheeesperer'
"rehabilitating" Gavin, ATF K-9, In Only Two Months:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAhcWEv56Y

              BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

               In Love And Light,
        I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
    The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room <{}'; ~ ) >
DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@I-Love-Dogs.Com - 12 Apr 2008 18:53 GMT
HOWEDY professora melanie, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin dog abusin coward, sexual sadist / dominatrix
and genetic behavior research FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

On Apr 11, 3:04 am, mlch...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Melanie L Chang)
wrote:

> Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
> This message will be removed from Groups in 5 days (Apr 18, 3:04
> am).

HOWE COME would a REPUTABLE RESEARCHER as yourself set
their INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE in six days like
matty a.k.a. Rocky, elegy, montana, and not so handsome
not so gentle jackass, not even jack morrison a.k.a. BIG
DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN??

Are you EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame.  Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.  What an idiotic response!  Whoops.

    BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

> I'm not sure if there's a point in answering this

HOWE COME you wouldn't answer the questions abHOWET
HOWE your veterinary behaviorist at UofPA, dra. karen
overall, instructed you to deal with Solo when you
first brought him there, professora??

> at such a late date,

Well professora, the ADVANTAGE is, that your informative
post which has been set to DISAPPEAR in six days, will be
indellibly archived forever when it's QUOTIED in reply <{}: ~ ) >

> but in case Jack still needs help:

You know doGdameneD well THERE AIN'T NO "jack" here, professora.

> FurPaw (furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com) wrote:
>
> : wasn't clear from the article if there are any differences
> : between Prozac and Reconcile except, perhaps, the packaging of
> : the doses (smaller than for humans, presumably).

funky foots got a very long posted case history of MENTAL
ILLNESS and her own DEAD an DEATHLY ILL dogs DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy
Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

> Dogs take pretty big doses in comparison to humans (I guess they
> metabolize it differently).  Solo is on 20mg in the AM and 10mg
> in the PM (fluoxetine) in combination with 50mg of amitriptyline
> both AM and PM.

        THAT'S INSANE, professora <{}: ~ ( >

> This is considered a low dose combo therapy to reduce
> the chance of side effects from either medication.

        THAT'S ABSURD, professora <{}: ~ ( >

> He has been on this combo for several
> years now with excellent results.

       THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY AND IT'S A LIE, professora <{}: ~ ( >

> : Still, fluoxetine could work in sync with behavioral modification

                   THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY.

It's your "BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION" that CAUSES phobic behaviors.

> : for the dogs by inducing some biochemical change that allows
> : the behavioral modification program to be more effective.

                   THAT'S INSANE <{}: ~ ( >

> That's exactly how it works.

INDEED? What is your PROFESSIONAL INTEREST in BLAMING fear
and aggression on CHEMICAL IMBALANCES, professora SADIST?

> The way I look at it, is it's basically insulin for the brain -

Is that your SCIENTIFIC opinion, professora?

> - helping to fix a body chemistry problem.

FEAR AIN'T a CHEMISTRY problem, professor, it's an ABUSE problem.

> By bringing the physiology closer to normal, it allows the
> owner to get a foot in the door with behavior modification.

THAT'S ABSURD and IT'S A SELF SERVING LIE, professora <{}: ~ ( >

> In Solo's case, the combo therapy plus behavior modification
> has given him excellent quality of life.

           THAT'S INSANE, professora <{}: ~ ( >

Solo has been man shy, dog aggressive and phobic all his life
thanks to your BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION under the EXXXPERTEASE of
dra. karen overall at UofPA behavior clinic (which YOU WOULDN'T
DISCUSS EXXXCEPT for his anti-psychotic medication treatment).

> His energy level and focus are not affected

You mean he's STILL HYPERACTIVE and HOWETA CON-TROLL, professora <{}:
~ ( >

>  and his "normal" behavior is the same both on and off the drugs.

              AS STATED <{}: ~ ( >

> The medication lowers his anxiety level such that he is able to
> be "normal" in more situations (ones that would otherwise be too
> stressful).

You mean, like when he's gettin BEAT IN THE FACE with
a shepherd's crook by a strange man, professora?

               LIKE THIS:

   "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
   A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
   Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
   Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I
   Fear He Might Eat My Cat," Melanie Lee Chang *
   mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu
   Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
   University of California, San Francisco
   http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

            BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> No one who has ever met him guessed that he was on drugs without
> being told.  Other dogs might not have results as good as Solo's.

That's ABSURD, professora. Solo was NORMAL when he was TAKEN
OFF of his ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications while you was AWAY from
him in Europe for the summer. THEN he WENT INSANE again when
you RETURNED <{}: ~ ( >

> He is almost nine years old now, and has been on
> behavioral meds since he was 16 months old.

Four months AFTER you got him. PRYOR to you gettin
him, Solo WAS NORMAL, remember, professora??

> He was taken off the meds for a few months
> in 2002 with unsatisfactory results -

THAT'S A LIE, professora. The KENNEL OPERATOR SAID HE WAS NORMAL
after initially ATTACKING a kennel worker during his FIRST WEEK
boarding.

- the behavior mod stuck,

That's BULLSHIT, professora. If your "BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION
STUCK" YOUR DOG WOULDN'T BE TAKIN ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS.

                  WOULD HE <{}: ~ ( >

>  but his anxiety level was high enough that I considered
>  it an  unacceptable impact on his quality of life.

             HERE'S THE SCIENCE, professora:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC.  Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.

"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated.

Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists.

Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."

           ----------------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Subject: Dog Behavior Problems

What causes dog behavior problems? Well, first
of all, a dog doesn't know that his behavior is
a problem until you tell him so. But if you
address his behavior negatively then your dog
will tend to repeat it-that is just the nature
of dogs.

Unfortunately for us humans, our natural tendency
is to rebel with emotional outburst, intimidation
or force when our dog's behavior annoys us. But
we must bite our tongue and praise our dog instead.

You do not believe that your dog is out to get
your goat? Just begin to carefully analyze his
behavior. Take for instance the case of the
Mozart hating dog.

Whoever heard of such a thing?  How could such a
bizarre behavior begin and become established? Who
knows for sure, but it could easily happen like this. You
are relaxing listening to your favorite Mozart piece and
your dog begins to play rowdily-he is trying to attract
your attention-but his commotion annoys you.

You get upset and yell at him to shut-up.

Dogs are very sensitive to your emotions-positive
emotions calm them-negative emotions upset them.
But your negative attention has just given your
dog a lesson on how to get your attention.

How many times do think that it will take to make
this behavior automatic? Once, maybe twice is sufficient.

Does your dog act up when you are on the phone?
Why? Does he rush doors? Why? Does he jump up on
you or others? Why? Does he strain upon his leash?

Why?

What can you do to prevent such behaviors
and what can you do to cure them once they
have begun.

The classical conditioning and operant conditioning
schools of thought will advise you to condition your
dog to respond with some other, more acceptable,
behavior to the stimulus which instigates the
misbehavior.

Elaborate schemes are often devised. For instance
condition your dog to run to his crate to get a
treat when guests arrive to prevent him from
jumping upon your guests.

But this school of thought has nothing to
say about preventing such behavior problems
in the first place. And what if you don't
have any treats left? Or what if you are at
your neighbor's house with him?

And what if you wished that your dog would
just sit quietly when guests arrived instead
of each time having to bribe him to come to
his crate?

The force training school of thought will advise
you to scold, intimidate or by some means punish
your dog for what you deem to be misbehavior.

You do not believe that this approach may cause
your dog to dislike or possibly hate you? You do
not believe that your dog will find other, perhaps
more obnoxious, behaviors in order to get even with
you?

This school of thought also has nothing to recommend
upon how to prevent these behavior problems in the
first place.

I recommend that you learn the value of praise
and kind emotions toward your dog. Throw away
your treats and your hickory sticks and raise
a dog who is calm and loving and who never gets
into any trouble.

Learn how to use sound distraction combined with
praise to quickly condition your dog to avoid
behaviors that you dislike; by quickly, I mean
in just a few minutes. Learn to teach your dog
commands in minutes using sound, praise,
alternation and variation while taking advantage
of a dog's natural allelomimetic behavior).

Please study The Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

--Larry

             -----------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:17:01 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

"Lynn K." <java...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0407210206.61b65e3f@posting.google.com..

> "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:pmVKc.2487$jJ1.1185@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...

> > What causes dog behavior problems? Well, first of all, a dog
> > doesn't know  that his behavior is a problem until you tell
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> is not "just the nature of dogs".  It's the result of inept human
> actions. Lynn K.

Dogs do not understand the concept of right
and wrong. But it is their nature to oppose
you. If you pull upon them then they will
pull back, if you push upon them then they
will push back, if they chew upon your shoe
and you scold them then they will naturally
chew your shoe again.

Shoo your dog out of your kitchen and he will
immediately come back in. Try to keep him from
charging the door by pushing him away with your
foot and he will charge ever so much more
deliberately and he will become an expert at
avoiding your foot.

Once your dog figures out your intention, he
will figure out a way to oppose it. Your job
is to never oppose your dog-then he will never
oppose you.

For instance, never put tension upon his lead
and he will never strain upon his lead. Praise
him even if you do not approve of his behavior.

Use sound distraction with praise to eliminate
undesirable behaviors as described in the Puppy
Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

It takes no more than four repetitions to
extinguish an undesirable behavior. This
can take as little as a few seconds. The
undesirable behavior will be extinguished
for good and your dog will have received
nothing but praise.

Since you have given him nothing to oppose,
his natural tendency to oppose will never be
stimulated.

It is so easy. It works like magic.

When you come to understand the principles of
canine behavior, training becomes incredibly
easy. If you oppose those principles of canine
behavior, then you may well battle with your
dog for the rest of his life.

-- Larry

           ----------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:14:10 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

Sound distraction, with praise, works for any
dog, regardless of breed, age, temperament or
past experience. It is not a trick or training
tip. It is a scientific principle that applies
to canines in general. If it did not work for
you, then you did not perform it correctly.

Remember, your sound distraction must be
accompanied immediately by praise lasting
from 5 to 15 seconds. During this 5 to 15
second period your dog will be thinking.

Observe them closely to see the telltale
signs that they are thinking.

The sound distraction must not originate from
the trainer twice in a row. The sound distraction
must alternately originate from the trainer and
then originate from the dog or beyond the dog.

That is why you need something that you can
toss that will not make any sound until it
lands. You begin praising as soon as it makes
its sound.

If the misbehavior continues after four
alternating attempts, then call your dog
to you and retry the sound distraction
with praise a little while later. This
prevents any battles with your dog.

Never use your sound distraction as an aversive
(to frighten or to intimidate)-that invalidates
the scientific principle upon which this method
is based. The praise is just as important as is
the sound distraction.

The scientific principle upon which the sound
distraction with praise method is based is the
same as that of Pavlov's conditioned reflex.

However, it has been proven that this sound
distraction system will condition a behavior
in dogs in less than half the number of attempts
as required by Pavlov's method.

Condition your dog to your praise by praising
them every time that they look at you.

If you desire a thinking dog, never use treats
for training because your dog's mind will focus
upon the food rather than upon his lesson.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End
Training Method to learn the entire theory
and application of these principles.

His system is based upon scientific principles
and it is logically consistent from start to finish.

Once you appreciate that it is in the nature
of a dog to oppose you then you will begin to
make rapid progress with your training. You
will then devise your training techniques so
as to avoid any opposition-physical or mental.

Do not let your dog detect any emotion that will
tell him that he is succeeding in opposing you.
In other words never let your dog feel that he
is opposing you, because if you do, he will
certainly frustrate you with continued opposition.

That is why it is so important to always praise
your dog. If you reveal to your dog that he is
not doing what you want him to do, then he will,
by his very nature, continue to oppose you.

If, however, you devise your training methods so
that your dog never knows that he is opposing you,
then you will make rapid progress.

For example, to teach a dog not to forge ahead
of you, simply reverse direction without notice
and praise-this is a training method that reveals
no opposition from you.

Another example: if your dog strains upon his
lead, praise him when his lead is slack. When
he hits the end of his lead, pull him back an
inch and then praise the slack lead.

Since it doesn't take long for a dog's natural
thigmotactic reflex to operate, don't pull back
for more than an instant and then immediately
praise his slack lead.

--Larry

                    -------------------

professora Sadist / Dominatrix CONtinues:
> With the meds, he has been able to enjoy an excellent quality of
> life despite living in the middle of two very major metropolitan
> areas, and has competed in agility, sheepdog trials, and completed
> a session of rally obedience with flying colors.

             BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Solo has been TOTALLY HOWETA CON-TROLL at sheep herding TRAININ,
and has NEVER successfully completed ANY competition <{}: ~ ( >

> More info:
>
> http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00376.htm
> http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00377.htm

            BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

What EXXXACTLY is the RELATIONSHIP between the university
and the PHARMACEUTICAL company, professora?? Your dra. karen
overall's mother's DEAD DOG DIED from fear of thunder as
stated in her own posted case history, below:

> Hope this helps.

You mean, LIKE THIS, professora?:

          The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room
              Stomps Fear Of Thunder <{}'; ~ ) >

EXTINGUISH ALL Phobias NEARLY INSTANTLY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GZvaN_iVI&feature=PlayL
ist&p=C17C3488C0B1CA82&index=0&playnext=1

         OR:

http://tinyurl.com/56psjd

Here's The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room's FREE training manual:
http://relinkz.com/The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room's_Training_Manual

Here's dog abusin coward, cesar millan,'z dog wheeesperer'
"rehabilitating" Gavin, ATF K-9, In Only Two Months:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAhcWEv56Y

              BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

               In Love And Light,
        I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
    The_800_Pound_Gorilla_In_The_Room <{}'; ~ ) >

Subject: Cure Fear Of Thunder <{}: ~ ) >

Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

 The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
 all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

         ------------------------------

Mac was more than ten years old:

From: k9ap...@webtv.net (Chris Williams) -
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: thunder desensitizing

 This thread makes one realize the problem is individual
and varied. Makes me realize I didn't have it so bad.
(Gawd, Ann.  How rotten for you and Sligo!)

 I'm grateful to have just found this ng when Mac was
traumatized by fireworks, because, unlike Solo,

> Thunderclaps set Solo off, and yet, he is
> not afraid of very similar noises coming
> from, say, construction sites. Fireworks
> don't faze him.

he began to chain fears - fireworks to storms to hammering
to car doors slamming.  Because of this group I was able
to act immediately, which I think is important, and we
began to work our way back through them.

 A big help was Jerry Howe's "anchoring" technique.

I chose Mac's mismatched flopped-over ear.  It's kind
of funny now. When he hears thunder or the kind of noise
that panicked him, his only response is to twitch that
ear himself.

            ---------------

Beau was 8 years old:

From: 2tails (wagginta...@hotmail.com)
Subject: My Experience with the Doggy Do Right (And
Kitty Will Too) Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2001-07-04 20:45:19 PST

After using Jerry's training manual, I became curious
about the Doggy Do Right (DDR) machine, and a few
weeks ago I received one.

I thought the group might be interested in some things
I've noticed since using it. (This is a bit of an
understatement as I certainly expect a flurry of
responses... most of them will probably be nasty.
But we'll see.)

Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left
the house, but one day I forgot and left it on all night.
My dogs used to wake me up between 8 and 8:30
a.m. The morning after I left it on all night, they
slept until 9:30 a.m. At first I wondered why they had
slept in so late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on.

(And no, I'm not an early riser.) :-)

Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m.,
unless I wake them up earlier. One night the power
went out, and the DDR was switched off. They woke
me around 8:30 that day.

The second thing was something my husband noticed. If
the light on the DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode...when
it's solid, it is playing the program. He came home,
the dogs were doing their usual growl and "bitey face"
rowdiness... when the machine's light became solid
(program on), they laid down in the same room with the
machine. Pepper even laid on her side and started taking
a little nap.

Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when
the program is playing, usually around their nap time.
That is, they will nap in the same room as the machine
and not in other areas of the house... even though their
"preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my
bed.

The last two things I've noticed have been with my 7 yr
old Dalmatian, Beau. He is normally terrified of
thunderstorms, so much that he will try to crawl into my
lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere.
(Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose... he
does the same thing at the vet's.) On Sunday, we had a
really severe thunderstorm, with hail, etc. When the
storm began, I turned the machine to play mode. He laid
on the floor next to where I was sitting. He still didn't
want to let me get out of his sight, but his behavior was
much improved from earlier episodes.

The last thing has to do with Beau and the vacuum
cleaner. The surest way for me to clear him out of
a room used to be for me to start vacuuming. He'd
race into another room and hide. Now, he will stay in
the same room. He's still wary of it, and leaves his
"escape route" open, but he will stay in the same room
while I'm using it, something he's never done before.

I've done no training to address these issues, but since
using the DDR for approximately three weeks, these
are some of the calmer behaviors that I've noticed.

As I said, I'm sure this will create a storm. May I say
in advance, that only polite posts will be considered
for a response by me.

Regards, Lisa

        ---------------

Bonnie was 11 years old:

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 4 Aug 2005 11:05:34

Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison: Collars - belated reply

<snip>

I started with two dogs that had no formal training:
one was an almost 11 year old dog who was never a problem,
but she used to pull on leash and pick things from
the ground and was terrorized by thunder, lightning
and just mere rain, and sometimes was barking furiously
at certain female dogs, the other was a puppy who seemed
determined to demolish the house we were living in and
drive me crazy in the process.

Jerry's method worked from the beginning with both of
my dogs and I could really appreciate the difference
it made in our lives.

<snip>

Lucy
         =========

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 20 Apr 2005 10:30:43 -0700

Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats

<SNIP>

> > I only know that it works, it works indeed like
> > magic. It works whether it's about getting them
> > to stop barking, or stop fearing the thunder,

> have you ever had a dog who had anxiety problems?

Yes. Bonnie was terrorized by thunder. She was so scared,
that the moment it started to rain she used to go hiding
under the bed and nothing would make her come out of there-
until long after the rain stopped.

> if you have, you'll know that praising them while they're
> anxious is the absolute worst thing you can do.  doing so
> with harriet set her progress back beyond square one.
> i've made plenty of mistakes with my dogs, but that one
> was a whopper.

Praising Bonnie allowed me to persuade her to continue
our walk while it started to rain, something that I
couldn't even dream to do, before.

And, during the last thunder storm we had this winter,
she stayed with me almost until the end, while I was
praising her enthusiastically. She was really fighting
the impulse to go hide as usual, and gave in to it only
when a particularly loud thunder startled us both.

> > or stop picking things they shouldn't eat ("Leave
> > it, Clyde, GOOD BOY!" does it,
>
> if you've taught your dogs the meaning of "leave it"
> then it isn't surprising that they would, in fact, "leave
> it" when you tell them to.  not very revolutionary, that.

Oh well - can't take the credit for this one; my dogs
are smart. I didn't specifically TEACH them the meaning
of "leave it", they must have guessed it - and it works
only accompanied by the "GOOD BOY/GIRL!"

> > just as Jerry had told me in this very forum that
> > they'd eventually do, both Clyde and Bonnie almost
> > never pick up anything).

> "almost never" isn't good enough.

Well, it's almost good enough for me. <g>

> i'll be more impressed when, after killing a Mr.
> Cottontail, you can get your dogs to drop his half-
> eaten carcass.

What about dropping a nice chicken bone they had just
picked? My dogs don't have many chances to kill anything
around here - did I mention that we live in a city?

> > The can with pennies is NOT intended to be used as
> > any form of punishment - on the contrary, it doesn't
> > work if it IS used thus. The idea is to just DISTRACT
> > the dog

> what do you think a distraction is?

Sorry. I should have said "aversive", not "punishment".

I think that you can distract a dog in a manner in which
the distraction (=sound) is not perceived by the dog as
an aversive, but just as a "What's that?" kind of thing.
It interrupts the dog's behavior without causing him any
negative feelings.

> not that it matters, in my dogs' particular cases.
> one doesn't respond to the noise and the other over
> reacts to it. it's a useless tool for these two dogs,
> no matter what sorts of all-encompassing claims Mr.
> Howe makes.

Have you ever tried it while praising? Not that it matters,
as you say - except for the fact that you can't know if it
works or not, unless you apply it as indicated by the author.

> > that you don't even have to produce the sound yourself: an
> > environmental sound, such as that suddenly made by the motor
> > of a passing car - can be used to this purpose.

> no kidding.  i knocked a stack of stainless steel mixing bowls
> off the top of the fridge once.  *once*.  i've since moved
> them to a lower cupboard where i'm less apt to topple them.
> poor harriet.

Again, praising while producing the sound can make the
whole difference. Otherwise, the sound is merely frightening
and Harriet is perfectly right to stay away from those bowls.

> > I used it once while working with Bonnie on the "Come!"
> > command. The sound came from behind her, right as I had
> > uttered the "Good girl, Bonnie, COME!" and she came
> > straight to me, despite the fact that, just a moment
> > earlier, she had been still hesitant.

> to this day, harriet won't go near those damned bowls.
> if i were really interested in keeping her off the kitchen
> counter, all i have to do is leave one of those bowls
> sitting on it. "fool me once..." she says.

Smart girl, your Harriet! And beautiful, too.

Lucy

           =============

From: lucyaa...@claque.net (Lucy A. Afar)
Date: 23 Oct 2004 03:12:46 -0700

Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop

I'm not Jerry, and you know it.

I have no interest in promoting Jerry's method -
except that it works. FOR MY DOGS, yes - and
much as I like to think that my dogs are special,
reason prompts that they are not THAT special, or
not in this particular way.

I did try praising Bonnie for barking, and by simply
going to check what was going on, by validating her
behavior (she was just warning me that someone was
coming, she was a GOOD DOG, for that) and telling her
that she was a "good dog" was NOT supposed to reinforce
the BARKING, but the idea that I knew why she was doing
what she was doing, and that it was OK. And the fact is
that this DID put an end to obsessive barking, almost
instantly. So it did NOT increase the incidence of barking,
Beth - just the contrary.

I did this experiment with my dog, because it couldn't
have made things worse than they already were - she was
barking like mad each time when someone was passing in
front of our door.

And I was curious to see if this strange method worked,
in such an extreme case. I don't expect you to believe
me, but to claim that it would do this or that without
checking and dismissing as "lies" all the reports of
people like me who have tried and found out that the
method worked is really not what I'd expect from an
intelligent honest person.

Especially when the best YOU can come with in order
to solve this problem, is the binaca solution.

<snip>

> > > A friend managed to cure a severe fear of thunder
> > > and fireworks in her samoyed in two storms.  This
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > > thunder strikes and parents act like its nothing.
> > > Dog feels like its nothing.

> > Oh, but I HAD tried acting like it's nothing. I did try
> > the "Come on, Bonnie, it's just a thunder - don't be
> > afraid!"; I tried also holding her in my arms, stroking
> > her and telling her, "It's OK, nothing can happen to you".
> > Neither of these did work, though.

> And neither of those things are what I suggested, Lucy, read again.

OK, I see I misread. You say "looking confident and happy
when thunder strikes". In the past, among the various things
I tried, I didn't do exactly that, but I did let her go into
hiding without comment, and went about my own business,
without making a fuss.

Didn't help.

The only thing that did help, even for a moment, was
praising her, as the noise was heard. I've been working
on the recall, so next time I'll try to praise her, walk
away and ask her to come, as Jerry advised me.

I'll let you know how it worked.

Lucy
             -------------------

Robin's dog was more than ten years old:

From: Robin Barr <robinba...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:58 -0800

Subject: Re: HELP needed ASAP
In article <O31ud.13611$r72.108...@weber.videotron.net>

regimbalm <regimb...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> MauiJNP wrote:
> > my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of
> > him) out.

> > what should I do?

> > she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on
> > the chairs? I don't want to have to smack him bottom
> > or nose or something like that.

> > Should I feed him from the table so he is not so
> > desparate to get up there? or will that make it worse?
> > right now, he NEVER gets  anything from the table.
> > thanks for any help.

> why don't you tie him outside during the meals and if he
> try to go on the table do the same go tie him and verbally
> reprehend him . He needs to  learn it's not ok to jump on
> table.

> I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training
> you need to learn how to control your dog, good luck

I'm only jumping in on this thread now, so don't know if
the Puppy Wizard responded to the original poster with a
link to his Wit's End Dog Training Manual, which he offers
at no cost.   Although you are correct to say the dog needs
to learn to not jump on the table, and your suggestion would
certainly contain the dog,  I don't think it would TEACH the
dog very effectively or quickly.

The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and
gentle way to teach a dog anything, even eliminating
separation anxiety and allergies.

I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog,
perhaps you might be interested in taking a look also.  You'll
find it's so much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any
other method.

The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.

You've heard the old saying, you get more with honey than
vinegar.

If you do try this method and find it effective, please pass
it on to other pet owners.  You'll be doing a good deed. I'm
planning to email it to my friends, relatives, and business
associates whoare pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift.

And more, if you have any questions about the training
method, or run into difficulties, unlike the tone of many
of the Puppy Wizard's posts (aka the Grim Reaper), you'll
find him extremely helpful, always available, patient (yes,
said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:).

                   ================

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:49:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article <pan.2005.06.16.03.47.42.331...@skepticism.us>,
"Kurtis D. Rader" <kra...@skepticism.us> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700, Robin wrote:
> > In article
<1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

> >  bringmewa...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> you must have missed his posts where he shows
> >> he's psycho and not worth 10 seconds worth of time

> > I disagree.  If you can look past the way he communicates,

> How he communicates is precisely the point. The reason
> rational people no longer listen to the "puppy wizard"
> has nothing to do with grammar

Kurtis,

I believe myself to be rational (I'm not saying this
defensively), and the reactions from the people in my
world (friends, family, tradespeople, neighbors,
acquaintences, business people, my healthcare givers,
and it goes on and on) seem to reflect that I probably
am rational.

Kurtis, the reason I look beyond the exterior, is
because sometimes, not always, there is something
of value.  I've found this to be true many times in
my life.

If you've been following my posts, I have a difficult
situation with my little dog, and I've followed all the
mainstream thinking and techniques for separation anxiety,
to no avail.

One of the reasons I decided to take Jerry's manual more
seriously was the feedback from those who had who had
achieved positive results.  And I'm glad I did (please
see my post to Jerry about tonight's session using Jerry's
SA technique).

> or spelling. It is about his surety that he has the
> only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.

Kurtis, I say this gentle respect (tone can be misinterpreted
with this form of communication) - read again what you said
above.  You are doing what you accuse Jerry of, the surety
that you have the only valid viewpoint and all others (who
support Jerry) are wrong. (i.e. they're not rational).

> It is about his atrocious manners. It is about his
> presumption to know enough about an individual to
> judge them an abuser of animals from a single usenet
> message.

I can't argue with you.  But this doesn't have the
same emotional charge for me as it does for you.

> > Please know he has supporters, some of whom doctorate
> > level professionals, and this is for a reason.

> I know plenty of "smart" people who believe in astrology
> and homeopathy. Just because someone is knowledgeable about
> one topic does not preclude them being idiots in other areas.

Kurtis, please listen to yourself; your judgement about
people who believe in astrology and homeopathy (idiots?),
you are so unwielding and harsh ("the surety that you have
the only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.")

> > Personally, I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character,
> > to say the least,

> I like colorful people as well. The world would be
> extremely boring and limited if everyone were like
> me. But just because someone has a different worldview,
> style of dress, or speaking style doesn't mean I should
> treat them as an authority on an arbitrary subject.

No need to treat or think of him as an authority!

(Ooops! <{); ~ ) > )

> I've read way too many posts by PW and visited his web
> site. While there are nuggets of useful information in
> what he says I can get the same advice from other sources

       (CITES PLEASE???<{); ~ ) >)

>  without the abuse.

(Seems kurtis means EMBARRASSMENT <{); ~ ) > )

Now Kurtis, you know the same advice is not available
elsewhere.  You're speaking an untruth to give weight
to your arguement.

I'm going to receive all kind of flack for this statement -
there's something about Jerry that has completely pushed
your buttons, and it has nothing to do with Jerry.

(Hint: look to one or both of your parents for the
source of this anger, that's who you're angry at)
I KNOW I'm going to regret having said that, but
this is kind of mood I'm in right now.

Anyway, you seem like a nice guy.

Best regards,
Robin

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article
<1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

bringmewa...@gmail.com wrote:
> you must have missed his posts where he shows he's
> psycho and not worth 10 seconds worth of time

I disagree.  If you can look past the way he communicates,
his information is worth exploring, and his message is
about absolute love, trust, respect and 'do no harm'.

If he could only communicate that way to the humans
who provoke him, which are many :),   he would be able
to get thru to many more people without being written
off as a nut.

Please know he has supporters, some of whom doctorate
level professionals, and this is for a reason.  Personally,
I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character, to say the least,
and I enjoy learning from him.  And, if you meet him
halfway, he'll give back to you tenfold.

Regards,
Robin

                      =============

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:12:10 -0400

Subject: Re: OT Dolphin Therapy -
Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did Too)

Hello dottie,

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:24:46 -0500 (CDT),
> Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> >dottie macdonald wrote:

> ><snip>

> >> i do still wonder what you expected to
> >> accomplish with the post. where are you
> >> heading with it? i think if the people
> >> here knew that ahead of time, they
> >> might be more inclined to play along.

> >>--dottie

> > Thank you for the reply...I didn't think I was doing
> > anything wrong but then again I'm not a lawyer either<g>
> > Where are my posts leading to...why to the conclusion that
> > sound waves have been used to modify behaviors ( in people
> > as well as animals).

> from the parts of the study that i examined, i thought
> the results were basically inconclusive. but i am willing
> to accept the idea that sound can affect behaviors. but
> that leaves a lot of area open for debate.

Yeah. That's why I'll let the academics debate.

> > The more I looked into using sound as a training tool
> > the more impressed I became.  I'm not talking the way
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > different ideas being tested today. The more I have
> > read, the more credible the DDR has became to me.

Don't worry about it. I still pinch myself everyday...

> without even owning one?

I wouldn't want to be without one.

>  why are you ready to so easily believe the
> outrageous claims made here about the ddr?

Because those outrageous claims are made by an expert on
dog behavior, for starters. And it's verified by hundreds
of unbiased, satisfied users.

> what scientifically conducted study have you
> ever read that supported the ddr in any way?

Scientific studies were done by myself. I couldn't find
any competent experts in the field. Do you know any experts
in this field besides me?

Look around. Look around REAL HARD.

Think. THINK REAL HARD.

If there were EXPERTS in this field, they would have Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will Too). They don't. That means I'm
the expert. According to deductive reasoning.

See? EZ stuff.

> > Since I'm not a Psycho Acoustic kind of person, I can't
> > determine if the machine works or not but...I stumbled
> > onto a PA e-mail list where they discussed the DDR...I
> > never saw anyone saying it couldn't be done.

Right. They just say that here. They don't like training
devices which don't hurt.  They need that feeling of
control. Non force methods takes away their sense of power.

> do you automatically believe everything must be true
> that hasn't yet been unequivocally disproved?

Well, my methods aren't accepted here, except by the folks
who've used them according to my instructions, because our
Thugs can't understand training dogs without hurting them.
Our Thugs would love my machine if it hurt dogs to train
them.

> > All three of my posts mention the state of entraining,
> > it's a state of mind where you become calm, relaxed and
> > receptive to learning. That sounds like an ideal way to
> > be when I want to learn something new.  If the DDR can
> > do that with animals....that's awesome.

Damn sure is.

> yes, it would truly be awesome!  and rather earth
> shattering, too, not to mention very profitable for
> the inventor.

HOWE about that?

> and all the inventor would have to do to cash in is
> to have some independent testing conducted on the ddr

By the experts in the field? What field, psycho acoustics?
The experts are debating that issue, my dogs' not in that
fight. Dog training? That's my field. I don't have any
superiors in my field, thank you. My machine is the result
of many years of hard work and a lot of cold cash.

> and then wait for the checks to start rolling in,
> along with invitations to the Tom Brokaw evening
> news show, interviews with top kennel club executives,
> veterinary organizations, etc.

Yup. You'll be seeing plenty of me once I do my press releases. I
haven't really done any yet. This is basically our little secret.

> i wonder why that hasn't happened in the case of the ddr?

Because it's a big chore bringing a new product
to market. You can't do it standing on one foot.

> > You (anyone) don't have to like Jerry, you don't
> > have to believe in the DDR but it doesn't hurt
> > to keep an open mind.

I didn't come here to be liked. My interest in rpdb was
to identify, expose, and discredit our koehler and shock
collar Thugs who have conspired for years to repress non
force trainers here to protect their alleged right to hurt
dogs to train them.

My methods and machine stand on their own.

> i don't like jerry as a human being.

Because I don't tolerate Thugs jerking and choking
and shocking and beating and killing dogs and calling
themselves trainers?

> i think he's an absolutely dreadful human being.

Lemme see. We got dogman who tells Paul and Marty
he'd need to hurt their dogs MOORE than they'd like
to break a behavior my methods broke in a few minutes
over a couple of days.

Our Thugs agreed, and tell people to jerk and choke
and shock their dogs to make them friendly, and beat
their dogs with a stick to motivate them (see amy dahl's
stick fetch),  and kill their dogs because they're afraid
of them after they've hurt them.

And you think I'm dreadful for pointing these
minor issues out to the public?

> but i'd still purchase every ddr he could make
> and do whatever i could do to see to it that
> every dog owner, trainer, breeder, veterinarian,
> kennel, etc., had one if he could prove that it
> work as claimed. and so would many other philanthropic
> organizations.

Yeah. And that's just for starters.

> at the same time, i'm a little confused.

No doubt.

> if you believe that the ddr works, why haven't_you_bought
> one yet? if i even suspected that it_might_work, i would
> have bought one by now.

Perhaps she's saving her pennies? I've got a bunch of DDR
owners who have bought two or three units for their friends
and families and their second homes or to cover their entire
farms with remote units.

> who wouldn't want to own something that can...
> "gently break barking, howling, digging, whining, chewing,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  window, or spraying that repulsive odor around your
> home and yard!

I should probably tone it down, huh? Whaddaya thaink?

Too much too soon?

> "dog and cat behavior problems simply melt away! No skill
> required, no manuals to study, no exercises to practice.
> Just plug it in, and flip  the switch.

> "stops barking in minutes

> "quiets your entire neighborhood,

> "better than training, Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will
> Too) solves behavior problems even the best trainers
> and behaviorists find difficult, even impossible, to
> correct.

So says the best dog trainer in the business.

> "end hyperactivity, fear of thunder, carsickness,
> excessive barking, howling, digging, pacing, chewing,
> whining, separation anxiety, submissive urination,
> "territorial" marking, even begging for food, virtually
> any and all malbehaviors can be improved/trained"

That's a fact.

> yes, misty, who wouldn't buy one if it worked?

That why Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) is 100%
money back, satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER. And there's
a two year free repair/replace warranty. And there's a
25% discount for all shelter and rescue folks, regardless
of their tax exempt status. IOW, if they ask, they get it,
and my BIOSOUND Scientific Elves kick in the balance.

> we could probably clear out every dog
> shelter in america, couldn't we?

We'd certainly make all the dogs more comfortable.
My Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) cures behavior
problems. Even stops Tom Kats from spraying.

And now it's gonna be called Doggy Do Right (And Kitty
Will And A Rooster Did Too). It broke a rooster from
crowing every minute from 5 a.m. till 11 a.m. The bird
now crows about once an hour.  So, put that in your pipe
and fire it up because it's for real and your rpdb dog
abusers would rather hurt our dogs and LIE about it..

>  and prevent them from filling up again so quickly.

That's why I'm here first, and not there. The handling
and training needs to be done properly, and then there
won't be any need for my Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will
Too) in the shelters because the dogs won't be coming
into the shelters because they won't be having behavior
problems because of proper handling and training.

> so why isn't it being done?

Because our lying, dog abusing Thugs would rather hurt
and kill dogs than admit that Jerry is right about handling
and training them without force, fear, or confrontation.
They need to be stopped.

That's why I'm here.

Even professor dermer CAN'T come up with any criticism
of my methods. He did look like a wise guy with cindy
mooreon when they were having a blast making fun of my
Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique. That lasted
about a week, on account of Marilyn had given it to a
student of hers with serious SA destruction problems,
and it worked from the 1st time they used it. Marilyn
reported back here that her students were in tears of
joy because my method saved them from having to get
rid of her dog.

That was the last time we heard professor lying
doc dermer discussing my methods because he promptly
killfiled me and Marilyn.

>From another post:
> The use of a Doggy Do Right, interestingly, is
> never mentioned in his training manual,

EXACTLY.

There's NO for sale items in my FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.

Got any complaints about that?

> which would appear to indicate that one or the
> other is superfluous.

Or both independently EXCELLENT and STAND ON THEIR OWN.

Anyone doubting the veracity of the endorsements
of Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) given by
Elaine McClung or Desiree Webber should contact
the secretary of http://www.spacecats.com or call
their hotline and ask them to have those people
contact you to verify the veracity of their
endorsements, the credibility of Jerry Howe,
and their satisfaction with Doggy Do Right (and
Kitty Will Too) and the Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual.

>  While some of the practices described in
> the manual are accepted practice,

Most of it was unheard of when I came here. There
is no valid criticism of any of my methods and
everyone who has tried them has got the results they
wanted just as quick and easy as I say they will.

> interested readers are probably better off going to
> the original material that his manual was cobbled
> together from.

An excellent choice. Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training. j:-}

NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

           ---------------

Mrs. Altman is the wife of a practicing psychiatrist who
has studied with The Puppy Wizard and endorses HIS methods:

Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.

 From there the problem grew. She would run to the far

southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.

1st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.

From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.

I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he
is most generous with his time and advice). The first
two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.

The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.

A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.

Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."

She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the
floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that
she is aware of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

        --------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained.  A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.

The price was too high:-(
~misty

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From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but
he was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles
with webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat
like Candace, so the group was not very conducive to
learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual
Peach had already ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.

I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented
it on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem
with little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.
Sometimes I still look to see if she came home when we
get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not
given you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and
AFRAID of losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have
FUN learning and sharing...J;~)

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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news:
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.
I have a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems
adjusting to my 8 month old son.

Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage
as a hold on for dear life object.

Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my
older two boys went through this stage in a different
house where Buddy had his own room and the boys had
only visits, not daily contact 24/7.

Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey
has been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval
by non-stop screaming.

A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all
the widows shut <g being in the house it makes your
ears pop and your nerves crawl.

Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on
how to use it. He answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy
is located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior.
Then I realized after a week that he no longer screamed
for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely
<bg he still demands his share of all meals.

But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants
everyone_ to go to bed.

Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My
nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch
per Jerry's instructions.

I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on
and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back
down and quit screaming.

In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of
c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the
sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon (means c*t
monster) who is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.

I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do
like the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget
I like things that are free. I also like the fact that
I can e-mail him and get advice whenever I need it.

Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks
the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree
in electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
<g). He does NDT for a living.

We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as
Joey is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a
strange animal.. some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg.

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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have
a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting
to my 8 month old son.

Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's
cage as a hold on for dear life object.

Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older
two boys went through this stage in a different house where
Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not
daily contact 24/7. Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny"
humans. Joey has been driving him nuts!

He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming. A
cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all
the widows shut <g being in the house it makes your
ears pop and your nerves crawl.

Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how
to use it. He answered my questions quite politely.

I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy
is located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior.
Then I realized after a week that he no longer screamed
for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely
<bg he still demands his share of all meals.

But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm
when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.

Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My
nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch
per Jerry's instructions.

I discovered the DDR was shut off!

I turned it back on and left it on the lowest setting.
Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming. In the time
that I've had the DDR on I've

had a lot of c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's
quite the sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon
( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
and Zelda.

I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things
that are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and
get advice whenever I need it.

Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks
the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree
in electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
<g). He does NDT for a living. We don't expect to need
the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is walking, Buddy will
realize that he's not a strange animal.. some kind of
furless dog or c*t <bg. So, yes, there are some of us
out here who do appreciate Jerry's methods if not his
condemnation of other "regulars".

Honey, flies that sort of thing.... ~misty

          =====================

From: "CB"
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: your manual, and some much needed advice

HOWEDY C,

> I'm a newbie to this training thing -

Good. That's an ADVANTAGE. You likely haven't
learned and practiced a lot of the traditional
methods which cause temperament and behavior
and stress induced auto immune DIS-EASES.

> never have had really to do it in the past

Good. That'll facilitate learnin my methods.

> but I have a problem that is driving me nuts

No problem. For some of us it's a rHOWEND trip.

All behavior problems are caused by mishandling.

> and I'm on the verge of having a dog
> (whom I love) put down.

That's ridiculHOWES. There's no behavior problems
we cannot REHABILITATE NEARLY INSTANTLY if
you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE copy
of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual.

Ask The Puppy Wizard if you have difficulty or
need any additional FREE heelp.

> your help would be MUCH appreciated.

You got it. Study your FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual and DO ALL the exercises
PRECISELY as instructed and ASK if you have any
difficulty or need heelp with any specific issues
not covered in the text. It's only abHOWET sixty
pages of INFORMATION but the TECHNIQUE is the
fastest, gentlest, most effective in the Whole
Wild World and is GUARANTEED to CURE all behavior
problems NEARLY INSTANTLY or The Puppy Wizard will
get the heel HOWETA this business.

> I have 3 dogs - a mother and daughter and a young hound.

SHOWENDS nice!

> problem is 'redirected aggression' I've been told.

That's a common problem. Is that to say your bitches
are fighting? There's a reason dogs fight. It's on
accHOWENT of sibling rivalry and fear of corrections.

Any negative physical or emotional (scolding [embarrassment],
forced restraint, jealHOWESY [showing favoritism] ) will
trigger undesirable and inapupriate responses, including
visceral responses, like diarreha, skin erruptions, seizures,
endocrine and urinary track DIS-EASES, etc.

> I moved to virginia 2 months ago.  new house.

When we change environments we have a clean
slate to start off with, cause the dogs don't have
their routines, territory and safe retreats established.

> thats stressful I know.

To a degree, but moving is the second greatest
stressor in HOWER society, after death of a
loved WON.

> about 3 weeks ago, I was trying to get
> mother (gwen) to stop barking.

That's EZ to do.

Barking is a symptom of anxiHOWESNESS.

All we got to do is REASSURE the dog that
everything is O.K. and interrupt the cycle of
barking according to The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and you'll break excessive barking in
a few minutes.

Repeat the process a few times and excessive
barking is PERMENANTELY EXXXTINGUISHED.

> I had been told to douse her with water

Well, THAT ain't REASSURING, is it? That's
gonna make the dog anxiHOWES and may
teach him to FEAR what he's barking at even
MORE and increase his barking, or possibly
may make the dog fear and hate you.

> after saying 'no, quiet' when she ignored me.

That's not gonna REASSURE her that every thing
is O.K. Barking at passersbye is a FEAR response.

Yes, it LOOKS aggressive, but ALL aggression is
FEAR, or they wouldn't attack, cause that's not their
nature, is it.

> I doused her, and she LIT into daughter.

Yeah... that's REDIRECTED AGGRESSION allrighty.

She had been provoked to attack by your efforts
to repress her barking. She was probably barking
to alert you to something suspiciHOWES. You
further INSULTED her by IGNORING her efforts
to warn you there's sumptin HOWET there.

The Puppy Wizard supposes the barking in that
instance was at a passerbye of some sort rather
than just "useless" barking, cause the "CORRECTION"
triggered aggression, rather than 'surprise' to
interrupt the behavior. IOW, she must have been
AFRAID before you "corrected" her.

> I mean they were at it for 15 minutes before I could
> get them apart.

That's awful.

> daughter suffered a number of bites, including some
> serious ones (dime sized hole in her leg skin).  no
> stitches but plenty of antibiotics.

Yeah, bites infect real EZ cause punctures don't
bleed and they're perfect for growin anarobic bacteria.

> I have them on tie-outs in the back yard

O.K. Tying a dog HOWET is O.K., so long as the
dog is trained and well adjusted to his stake area.

> (another problem is how to keep them from roaming,

We can perimeter train a dog in MINUTES. It's all
in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

> they are VERY strict on that here and dont have $ to
> bail her out of doggie jail).

Well, they'd have a hard time luring your dogs
off their pupperty if they were pupperly trained.

> I took daughter to a vet and she prescribed
> clonicalm for the mother to releave the agression.

That's ABSURD. The pharmacutical company states
the drug only has a 15% improvement in dogs IN
CONJUNCTION with behavior modification...

HOWEver, that's not quite valid, on accHOWENT
of the pharmacutical companies are relying on
traditional behavioral advice, INCLUDING clicker
training, which The Puppy Wizard CONDEMNS
as THE PRINCIPLE CAUSE of ALL temperament
and behavior problems.

We CANNOT teach SELF RESTRAINT using
BRIBES INTIMIDATION or AVOIDANCE.

> she's been on it for 3 weeks now,
> and NO observable improvement.

The Puppy Wizard strongly suggests you discontinue
the drug therapy in accordance with the APPUPRIATE
withdrawal method you discuss with your vet.

> I have to keep them in different rooms at night

Separating them will likeWIZE increase ANXIHOWESNESS.

> (never had to before).

Do they fight on sight? Can they be together AT ALL?
If they can get together, the rest of it is EZ. If not,
we'll have to work them separately till we've got
sufficient control to reintroduce them.

> when I take mother (gwen) out, gwen
> IMMEDIATELY looks for daughter

Ooops! I shoulda read ahead. O.K., that's still
not a problem. ANY behavior which is PREDICTABLE
and CONSISTENT we can EXXXTINGUISH nearly instantly.

>  and if I had not shortened the tieout,

THAT could be makin her more aggressive.

> would immediately attack her.

There's a condition called chained dog syndrome.
That may be part of the problem. Presumably the
first fight came on in their tie HOWET area, so the
ENVIRONMENT is likeWIZE, contributing to the
aggression. You'll have to work on the aggression
from the first instance you see her "light up" lookin
for the other dog, when she's NOT there to cause
her to continue her aggression. Is that clear? If not,
just lemme know and I'll go over it again differently.

> This morning, I had it so that xena could approach mother,

Good.

> and when I poured out their water, she did so.
> IMMEDIATE attack,

O.K., that may have been triggered by the water,
reflexing her memory to the earlier "correction."

> and I had great difficulty in separating them.

Yeah. Let's not try that again till you've worked
them through the exercises in the manual and
get 100% total non physical control of them.

Won't take much work at all.

>  daugher (xena) limping but seems no real harm.

HOWECH.

> but I mean IMMEDIATE attack,

Seems she refrained till you poured water...

> even after 3 weeks of doggie-prozac.

That's garbage.

> I am at WitsEnd here.

INDEEDY. Welcome.

> mother (gwen) is a VERY smart dog.

Good. Smart dogs are harder to train.

> she can open doors with her mouth, walk along
> the top of a fence like a cat does.

Interesting.

> I believe (and have been told) that gwen attacked
> daughter due to the fact I was trying to correct HER.

Right. It's called sibling rivalry. It's all in the manual.

> and that gwen is no longer sure of HER 'status'.

Forget status. She was copying your actions and
attitudes. That's called allelomimetic behavior.

> I've been trying to reinforce gwen's
> status by feeding her FIRST etc etc.

That's preposterHOWES.

> but this morning really shook me.

Ooops...

>  I cannot let xena get mauled by gwen,

Right.

> and I fear gwen WOULD kill her if she could.

Not for long. This is gonna be EZ to fix.

> But I am at a loss as to what to do?

Just follow the instructions in the manual and
ASK The Puppy Wizard if you have difficulty.

> thanks for your consideration :)

Thank you, it's my pleasure.

> sincerely
> cb.
> ps - your website could use a LOT of improvement.

Yeah. You any good at that? I'm trying
to find someWON to fix it for me.

>  I own an ISP as well as several computer stores.
> and I do professional websites.

Ahhh, excellent. Perhaps you can help?

>  might be inclined to help you out if you're interested :)

Yes indeed, but you've got your work cut HOWET
for you with the manual and running your dogs
through the exercises till everyWON is on the
same page.

I see two other emails from you,
I'll answer them here:

From: "CB"
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:12 PM
Subject: original problem?

> oh - and how do I get her to quit barking incessantly?

That's EZ. It's all in the manual. I'll copy below a
post from another student abHOWET her dog's barking.

>  I'm feeling super guilty about having to keep them
> outside on tie-outs.

That's probably causing them some anxiety.

> what can I do to help them out?

You'll have to break each first instance of
any symptoms of anxHOWESNESS consistently
till it's permenantely extinguished.

> my wife (moved here to get married) is trying
> to be patient over this,

Won't take much work.

> but she's getting rather upset by the situation as well.

INDEED, as are you and the dogs.

> cb.

> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,

It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.

> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.

Excellent.

> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.

My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical
grade static like stimulation devices and pronged
spiked pinch choke collars our "experts" here love so
much.

> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).

Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only
the way they're misused.

> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.

Good. I've got a lot in common with folks
who are gentle and treat animals kindly.

> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,

You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.

> but the overall plan makes great sense.

Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain
HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his
POV as an experience handler using my methods.

> I did have a question.  The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.

Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.

> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog
> (especially our seven month old).

Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.

> Can you give me the rationale behind that?

It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.

As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.

> It will help me modify my own behavior.

Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.

> Anyway, your approach is amazing.

Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left  for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.

> Melisande

        -------------------

From: "CB"
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: original problem?

> ps - this was obviously an invitation to sell me
> one of your doggy do-rights :)

The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual teaches pet owners
to CURE ALL ANXIETY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
NEARLY INSTANTLY.

The Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A
Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine CURES
ALL ANXIETY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS NEARLY INTSANTLY,

            AUTOMAGICKALLY,

from up to a half mile away, for NON ANIMAL OWNERS, like
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same same same PRINCIPLES of behaviorISM as taught in
your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE  WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual.

And it's money back satisfaction guaranteed
FOREVER including paid return shippin.

> cb.

Pretty good deal, eh?

Here's your ALTERNATIVE:

Dra. Karen L. Overall
UofPA Department of Psychiatry,
Small Animal Behavior Clinic,

Storm phobias:

No other problem is as widespread, as devastating for the
animal, and as frustrating for the veterinarian in practice
as is the issue of managing animals experience seasonal
terror.

     ***EXXXCEPT for SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS***

The issue of noise and storm phobias and their tendency to be
associated with other anxiety disorders was an issue much discussed
by
me and others at the recent AVMA meetings and the associated behavior
meetings. Ironically, as these meetings were wrapping up, a dog I
loved very much was dying - because of her terror of storms.

                  BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAAA!!!

About nine years ago, I obtained a retired show champion Tibetan
Spaniel, Susie, for my mother, with the understanding that should my
mother predecease the dog, the dog would come to me. During the time
that my mother had Susie, the dog became more fearful of storms of
all
kinds, as are many dogs in the southeast United States.

    ***BLAME THAT ON HER BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION!***

Whenever my mother would tell me how much Susie had suffered during
the most recent storm, I would launch into my speech about how much
medication can help, and how important it is to treat these dogs
early
and often.

            ***BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAA!!!***

Client resistance My mother's response was invariably that
drugs were overused. Susie just needed love. My mother would
hold her to get through the storm, and Susie was fine, but
tired, the next day. It's entirely possible that my mother
could or would have taken advice about medication from anyone
but me, but this logic is also something that veterinarians
in practice tell me they often hear from clients. Surely, I
failed to convince the client to avail herself of expertise.

         ***dra. overall means 'her BULLSHIT'***

When my mother died, the people who had been fostering
Susie for the months when my mother was unable to care
for her asked if they could keep her. I had no choice
but to acquiesce: they loved her and were in tears at
the thought of me taking her away. Again, I mentioned
treatment for storms, but their response was that their
other little dog was also distressed during storms and
they would just sit with her.

The day after the AVMA meetings wrapped up, I answered
the phone to hear the voices of Susie's adopted parents.
They wanted me to know that there had been a terrible
series of storms the night before.

Susie had trouble breathing during the first one.
During the second storm - in the middle of the night
and in these people's arms - Susie went into cardiac
and respiratory arrest and died.

Susie's adopted parents asked me if she had always been
so terrified of storms. My response was no; her terror
worsened with time and exposure. How could I revisit the
drug argument with someone who held a dead dog?

So, for all the pets who suffer, here's the take home message:

Storm and noise phobias are emergencies.

             ***INDEEDY!***

     LUCKY THING WE CAN EXXXTINGHISH THEM
     NEARLY INSTANTLY SIMPLY BY DOIN EVERY
     THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
     HOWE you pathetic miserable stinkin
     lyin drug pushin FRAUDS an SCAM ARTISTS
     RECOMMEND <{}: ~ ) >

They will only worsen with exposure, and the rate at which
they worsen depends on the neurochemistry of the dog and
the severity and unpredictability of the storms.

   ***AND THE INCOMPETENCE OF THE BEHAVIORIST***

Data talks Data suggest that ~70 percent of all dogs who
react profoundly to miscellaneous noises also have storm
phobias, and 90 percent of dogs with storm phobias react
badly to other noises.

Co-morbidity is the rule: ~70 percent of dogs seen in a
clinical setting with noise or storm phobias also have
often undiagnosed separation anxiety. Screen for all of
these at every visit.

         ***BWEEEAAAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!***

Dogs experiencing fearful noises (e.g. shipping on a plane)
as youngsters may be at increased risk for later development
of more profound noise or storm phobias.

         ***BWEEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAA!!!***

Dogs who react to storms may not be reacting to the noise:
trigger stimuli could include other sounds (wind, rain),
darkness, changes in light intensity, barometric pressure
changes, ozone changes and changes in human behavior.

            ***THAT'S IRRELEVENT***

Any of these can lead to panic and must be treated.
The medications that treat phobias also treat panic.

        ----------------------------

             THEY DON'T WORK.

> Sometimes it can be difficult to find a vet who will
> prescribe benzodiazepines because they think you are
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> Genetics Project University of California, San
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      Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
      From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
      Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004

  Subject: Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm

       I have studied canine behavior and dog
       training for years. I have a huge library
       that covers every system of training.

       The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits'
       End Training Method is by far the most
       scientific, the most advanced, the kindest,
       the quickest and the most effective training
       method yet discovered.

       It is not an assortment of training tips
       and tricks; it is a logically consistent
       system. Every behavior problem and every
       obedience skill is treated in the same
       logically consistent manner.

       Please study his manual carefully. Please
       endeavor to understand the basis of his
       system and please follow his directions
       exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It
       is dense with theory, with explanation,
       with detailed descriptions about why
       behavior problems occur and how their
       solution should be approached.

       One should not pick and choose from among
       his methods based upon what you personally
       like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks
       but a complete and integrated system for
       not only training a dog but for raising a
       loving companion.

       When I once said to Jerry that his system
       creates for you the dog of your dreams,
       his response was that it produces for your
       dog the owner of his dreams.

       You see, Jerry has discovered that if
       you are gentle with your dog then he
       will be gentle with you, if you praise
       your dog every time he looks at you,
       then you will become the center of your
       dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
       distraction with praise, then it takes
       just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to
       train your dog to not misbehave (even in
       your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning
       to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly
       and let me clip his nails).

       Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
       distraction / praise / alteration /
       variation) it takes just minutes to train
       you dog to respond to your commands.

       What a pleasure it was for me to see my
       6 week old puppy running as fast has his
       wobbly little legs would carry him in
       response to my recall command-and he
       comes running every time I call no matter
       where we are or what he is doing.

       At ten weeks old now, my puppy never
       strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's
       hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack
       Leadership exercises.

      Jerry has discovered that if you scold
      your dog, if you scream at him, if you
      intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you
      force him then his natural response is
      to oppose you.

      Is Jerry a nut?

     It doesn't make any difference to me whether
     he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge
     a person's ideas based upon their personality.
     As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his
     heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
     when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating,
     scolding or hurting dogs.

     More than that, he knows  that force is
     not effective and that it will certainly
     lead to behavior problems; sometime
     problems so severe that people put their
     dogs down because of those problems.

    I believe that it is natural for humans
    to want to control their dog by force.
    Jerry knows this too. We have all been
    at our wits' end, haven't we?

    Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
    scientific literature it is referred to
    allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in
    like kind to force; they respond in like
    kind to praise.

   Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him
   what he wants most-your kind attention. Give
   him your praise.

   You will be astonished at how your dog 's
   anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
   problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

   Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits'
   End Training Method as a scientific principle
   just as you would the law of gravity and you
   will have astounding success.

   Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

   If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get
   a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will
   surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The
   Gremlins?).

   --Larry

                  -----------------

     "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
       news:

       I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
       dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
       I do not know what started the problem but he came
       aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
       snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
       and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
       ad I took him with me everywhere.

       At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
       Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
       clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
       it was not working on his aggression problem.

       I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
       trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
       They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
       and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
       suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
       working as he was becoming more aggressive.

       I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
       away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
       on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
       use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

       I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
       ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
       LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
       University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
       had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
       gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
       have the people stop until he could get in control using
       treats, and work on clicker training.

       At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
       the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
       would not come when I called him and would run away when
       I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
       neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
       hasn't trained her dog"

       I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
       were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
       were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
       said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
       say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
       responsible for him."

       *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
       DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

       As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
       going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
       Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
       Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
       He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
       not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

       The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
       I had been working for 18 months!

       Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
       from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
       I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
       blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
       can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

       I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
       -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
       looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
       on by.

       When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
       me like "you must be out of your mind"

       The results can make a believer!!!

       Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
       Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
       in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

       He just seemed to not notice any one.

       When people talked to him or ask his name he would
       look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

       I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
       enjoy life out in public.

       If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
       was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
       Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
       toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

       My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
       dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
       out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

       I know most people would have given up on him a long time
       ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
       but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

       I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

              ================================

       From: Linda Daniel
       To: Jerry Howe
       Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
       Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

       Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
       to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
       save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
       thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
       have but many people would have.  The world just does not
       know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
       solve problems.

       We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
       -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
       you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
       happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

       We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
       right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
       scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
       would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
       to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

       He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
       those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
       in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
       grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

       Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
       stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
       pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
       a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
       smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

       I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

       I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
       walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
       a problem with other people and dogs.

       I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
       to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
       around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
       treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
       coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
       and not move until we backed away-

       - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
       until I get his attention with treats.

       They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
       but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
       him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
       sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
       to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
       heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

                  ----------------------------------

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> Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
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> Franciscohttp://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

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