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Dushichka - 04 Jul 2008 15:31 GMT My dog died on Tuesday night.I don't know what happened.he was fine, just fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner.He vomited a bit on and off through the evening and Sunday, I called my vet but she was not too worried as he was still taking water. I had an appointment at the Uni Vet on Monday morning.Vet took bloods and tested urine,bloods ok but bacteria and blood in urine, he said he was slightly dehydrated, so to return to my vet in the morning for fluids and antibiotic while he did urine culture.
Tuesday morning I took him in and picked him up in the evening --its not a 24 hr vet so he would have been alone -I was supposed to go back in the morning.He was lethargic but responsive but not even drinking. He then vomited brown liquid and opened his bowels, it was black and tarry,he died
:(( in my arms.He took 3 deep breaths and he was gone. I just cant believe it. My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible? I just cant get over how he died so quickly
Dushichka - 04 Jul 2008 15:35 GMT > My dog died on Tuesday night.I don't know what happened.he was fine, just > fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner.He vomited a bit on [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > it. My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible? I > just cant get over how he died so quickly I need to add that his feet, tail and ears were icy cold for some time before he went :((
diddy - 04 Jul 2008 15:40 GMT My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible?
>> I just cant get over how he died so quickly > > I need to add that his feet, tail and ears were icy cold for some time > before he went :(( A dog can die of septic shock within hours.
Dushichka - 04 Jul 2008 15:43 GMT > My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible? >>> I just cant get over how he died so quickly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A dog can die of septic shock within hours. Could he have died of septic shock from a urinary infection? ((( I just can't believe hes gone
diddy - 04 Jul 2008 15:47 GMT >> A dog can die of septic shock within hours. > Could he have died of septic shock from a urinary infection? ((( I just > can't believe hes gone yes.
Deborah, DVM - 05 Jul 2008 12:50 GMT >>> A dog can die of septic shock within hours. >> Could he have died of septic shock from a urinary infection? ((( I just >> can't believe hes gone > > yes. While I'm sure it's theoretically possible to die from septic shock from a urinary tract infection, that would be extremely unlikely in my opinion. In order to have septic shock you must have an infection in your bloodstream, and it would be very unusual for an infection to cross the bladder. If you had a very severe kidney infection, that might cause septic shock, but that should have shown up on bloodwork, and I can't imagine any vet sending a dog home (kidney infections usually require massive doses of IV fluids and antibiotics). When I've seen septic shock it's almost always been from liver or bowel problems, i.e. an obstruction or twisted intestine, something like that -- the bowel wall dies and the bacteria cross into the bloodstream. The only way to know for sure (if even possible) would have been to have a necropsy done after he died.
I'm sorry for your loss, it's always a tough thing to deal with.
Deborah, DVM
Michael A. Ball - 04 Jul 2008 17:55 GMT >...just cant get over how he died so quickly I'm sorry I have no medical expertise and can not offer any insight on what happened. I can tell that you are hurting, as I would be, and I want to say I am very sorry for your loss.
Events like this is why we should love our loved ones as though today will be our last opportunity.
Peace be with you.
___________________ A dog's life is too short; their only fault really.
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory - 05 Jul 2008 23:35 GMT HOWEDY dush, my delicate little butterfly,
> My dog died on Tuesday night. Naaaah? SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE~!
NO. NOT "SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE~!", dush. THAT WAS PREDICTABLE and PREDICTED <{}: ~ ( >
> I don't know what happened. Of curse you do, dush. The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply A-M-A-Z-I-N-G *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R* Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard TOLD YOU YEARS AGO that you was *MURDERIN* your dog JUST LIKE HOWE your pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE PALS HERE have done to their own innocent defenseless dumb critters with their jerking choking shocking surgical sexual mutilations and TOXIC veterinary malpractices <{):~ ( >
> he was fine, NO HE WASN'T, dush. YOU BEEN MURDERIN YOUR DOG S-L-O-W-L-Y with your INSANE ABUSE <{}: ~ ( >
> just fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner. That so? Then HOWE COME did he have BOTH cruciate ligaments FAIL and succumbed to leish, BOTH STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES, dush??
> He vomited a bit on and off through the evening and > Sunday, I called my vet but she was not too worried as he was still taking [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fluids and antibiotic while he did > urine culture. Ain't you LEARNED by NHOWE that your veterinary malpracticioner is as GUILTY as yourself of ABUSIN your dog, dush??
If the bacterial infection was SO severe he shoulda been put on an antibiotic IV drip. You COULDA CONtinued that treatment at your own HOWES.
> Tuesday morning I took him in and picked him up in the evening - > -its not a 24 hr vet so he would have been alone -I was supposed to > go back in the morning. He was lethargic but responsive but not even > drinking. He then vomited brown liquid and opened his bowels, it was black > and tarry, he died:(( in my arms.He took 3 deep breaths and he was gone. I > just cant believe it. Naaaah? What The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply A-M-A-Z-I-N-G *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R* Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard ***CAN'T BELIEVE*** is HOWE your DEATHLY ILL dog managed to last THIS long <{}: ~ ( >
> My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Your vet is a IMBECILE, REMEMBER, dush?
> Is this possible? Of curse it's possible but NOT PROBABLE.
> I just cant get over how he died so quickly NO. HE DIDN'T "died so quickly", dush, YOU MURDERED HIM S-L-O-W-L-Y with your INSANE ABUSE:
HOWEDY dush,
"Dushichka" <pseudibawoterop@sillynames.com> wrote in message news:6a0p2nF35j8arU1@mid.individual.net...
> To say I am devastated is the understatement of the millennium. LikeWIZE. It's TRAGIC and SHAMEFUL that you've jerked choked alphalpha rolled bribed crated intimidated and ignored your dog's cries till he succumbed into a multitude of STRESS INDUCED auto-immune DIS-EASES, a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome, which I had WARNED YOU abHOWET several years ago <{}:*~ ( >
> We were at the UVHosp last July and we saw the specialist > dermatologist who diagnosed immune mediated vasculitis - treatment plan [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > also unsuccessful,apparently due to the high dose of pred > he was taking daily. Dogs are NATURAL BORN ATHLETES.
Cruciate ligament failure is CAUSED BY STRESS from ABUSE, TOXIC VETERINARY MALPRACTICES and GARBAGE commercial dog food diets.
> I am LIVID that the derm, knowing my dogs history and all the clinical > signs, did not consider the possibility of Leishmaniasis and did not test > for it. Don't blame your veterinary malpracticioners, they was only doin the BEAST they knew HOWE to do under the circumstances.
Instead of blamin THEM, BLAME ME, dush, for mistakenly callin you a NAZI, therebye alienating you, when in fact, I misdiagnosed your psychological problems an misidentified you as a NAZI, when in fact, you was simply a IMBECILE, doin what you'd been TAUGHT by the Nazi dog abusin cowards <{}: ~ ( >
> I understand that his symptoms are many, but after doing my > own research, quite frankly there is nothing else it could possibly > have been. "Hindsight is 20/20".
> Fast forward to two months ago -poor dogs knees creak very loudly, > he is in pain, can hardly walk still on pred so I can't give him metacam, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > testing for infection with a view to *flushing * the joints, said it would > ease his pain a little. I was given Atopica and Tramadol for pain. Yeah. Dogs can HEEL their cruciate ligament failure without surgery if they're given the right handling and care as I teach my FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students.
> The following night he called me and gave me the diagnosis. Back > up there the next day for more x-rays, skin biopsies, fluid from the rest > of his joints need to be tested. He said that he had never come across a > case of it before.It is the cause of each and every one of his problems. > Poly arthritis, skin lesions, muscle wasting at the temples, nosebleeds, > everything. Yeah, and there's much, much more to come, bye an bye.
> I am honestly in total shock -I can hardly BELIEVE that this poor dog has > been suffering for nearly TWO YEARS and it was all due to a bite from a > sand fly. No, he's been SUFFERIN since DAY WON in your HOWES. The sand fly bite woulda been innocuHOWES had you not abused him as you've been WARNED not to.
> Even worse, that it was not picked up on by anyone until now. Seems to me I WARNED YOU abHOWET this three or four years pryor.
> I spoke to the vet again today and I now have to wait as it is the first > documented case of it here in Ireland(only one other, but post mortem - > it was therefore untreated) and they have to obtain a special license in > order to import the drugs he needs. I am so anxious it is unbearable. LUCKY thing you got LOTS of money to PAY for all this. I'm guessin you're in over $15,000.00 at this point, probably more. Am I correct?
> The treatment plan is daily injections of a drug called Glucantime for 40 > days(which more than likely I will have to administer) with combined > Allopurinol tablets, probably for life . This will improve his clinical > symptoms but the poly arthritis is obviously irreversible and his knees > are screwed Yeah. I HATE to say it, but "I TOLD YOU SO" a long time ago.
> I know it is HIGHLY unlikely, but does anyone have > any experience of this?? Yeah, as a matter of FACT, you're in EXXXCELLENT company~!
> I only know that it is endemic in only certain parts of the U.S and I > cannot find anyone else to talk to about it Your soul needs to be committed to loving trust of doggies, and to flit like a butterfly.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu> To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, onceI told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders, The Same Rule Applies To Every Aspect Of The Relationship With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related, if They Were Everyone Would Have Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e. "Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND, After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No Positive Interaction.
Paul
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Dushichka - 06 Jul 2008 10:46 GMT You are an absolute bastard I hope you rot in hell
> HOWEDY dush, my delicate little butterfly, > >> My dog died on Tuesday night. Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory - 06 Jul 2008 15:15 GMT HOWEDY dush, my overly sensitive little butterfly,
> You are an absolute bastard I hope you rot in hell That's kindly of you, dush, CONsiderin the alternative might be to spend ETERNITY in HEAVEN with sensitve animal lovers like yourself <{}: ~ ) >
Dogs GET STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE mediated DIS-EASES and cruciate ligament failure and "idiopathic seizures" a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome from traditional UNNECESSARY INAPUPRIATE SURGICAL SEXUAL MUTILATIONS, EXXXCESSIVE, UN-NECESSARY INAPUPRIATE TOXIC VACCINATIONS *(a.k.a. vaccinosis), TOXIC veterinary prescribed parasite CON-TROLLS and STRESS from JERKING CHOKING SHOCKING BRIBING CRATING and INTIMIDATION just like HOWE you lyin dog abusin NAZIS prefer.
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Dushichka" <pseudibawote...@sillynames.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:22:00 -0000 Subject: Biting Lab
I have a male lab puppy, five months old. He is lovely, good natured, playful, gentle - all the things a lab should be. He is also the light of my life, but I just cannot stop the mouthing/biting! He has toys to play with, and does not seem to be a great chewer - nothing has been destroyed yet!
I have tried all the usual things - yelping, ignoring, gruff *NO BITE*, someone suggested sticking my hand down his throat a couple of times, done that, tap under the chin, sticking a toy in his mouth - you name it, I've done it.
Every time we play, he bites my hand, arm. Sometimes even when being stroked. I have got to stop this, as he does it with my children too, and my daughter who is nearly seven is becoming reluctant to play *just in case he bites her*.
I know he is only a puppy, but I need to know if there is anything else I can do.He loves to retrieve, and we play this a lot. He is always picking things up such as socks, tea towels etc and bringing them to me.
He is bright, knows plenty of commands and follows them well, sit, stay, down, paw, wait, he rings a bell at the back door to go out, so he is not a dim dog.
Why can't he learn not to bite??!!
Is it usual to be so mouthy still at this age?
Dushichka*
REMEMBER, dush??
You can *(well, NOT *you*), ANY WON can *(well NOT *ANY WON* here), but ANY NORMAL person *(i.e. NOT a NAZI) CAN EXXXTINGUISH hyperactive behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you DOG an CHILD ABUSIN NAZIS prefer.
LIKE THIS:
From: Becky (Becky...@new.rr.com) Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST
Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.
Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have and it works!!!!
I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually makes my kids bleed!
Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website also, and it is free!
Becky
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Hi ! Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she will be 4 months on the 30th).
When we first brought her home she had a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove everyone in the house nuts and it brought my little girls to tears as you can imagine.
We tried saying no, and that would just get her even more excited, so we would yell no and that would just get her "scared" but still excited. In short it just wasn't working.
So we finally did what Jerry has suggested to you. We used a sound do distract her and we would immediately praise her.
I have to say that it worked great. BUT she then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly little thing.
So again, we tried no, and then louder no, but again it didn't work so we went for the distraction and praise.
I must say that she is doing great!
I hope that helps. Edyta aka Ned
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SEE?
>> For example, looking at other issues within the >> immune system, not just inflammatory cells. Ahhh, perhaps the good doctor should look at the GENES?
LIKE THIS:
Subject: CORRECTION~! = Re: Additional information about Labs and CSS *(Canine Stress Syndrome) & Dog Pictures
HOWEDY FellHOWE Dog Lover,
The good doctor is *MISTAKEN* when he claims CSS is GENETIC: "Because there appears to be a wide variability for expression of the genetic mutation(s) leading to this disorder, some limitations may exist for identifying dogs that experience only mild cases of CSS by this method. Unfortunately, there is currently no genetic test available to identify CSS or genetic carriers of the disorder. Dr. Bruce Smith at the University of Auburn has identified a candidate gene for CSS and is preparing to conduct breeding studies to verify the role of this gene in CSS."
And dra. patricia mcconnell and professora melanie chang are searching to find the genetic link:
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California, San Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
SEE?
>> Looking at other immune diseases such as lupus, or metabolic >> conditions such as thyroid levels, or immune stimulation from >> surgical sutures or adhesives, or ruling out other diseases that >> influence the immune system such as Addisons, or Cushings disease. Those are *ALL* *CAUSED* *BY* using your PREFERRED ABUSIVE NAZI TRAINING "methods", REMEMBER, dush?:
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Dushichka" <pseudibawote...@sillynames.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:53:35 -0000
Subject: Re: Biting Lab
"ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:3E54D8E3.70306@netscape.net... <snip a load of gibberish>
How about writing in English, so that what you write can be read?
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Dushichka*
> My dog has been suffering symptoms for over 18 > months and it has only just been picked up now. Naaaaah? SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE~!~!~!
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: ThePuppyWizard <ThePuppyWiz...@netscape.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:01:53 -0500 Local: Thurs, Feb 20 2003 3:01 pm Subject: Re: Biting Lab
HOWEDY dushicka,
> "ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@netscape.net> wrote > in message news:3E54D8E3.70306@netscape.net...
> <snip a load of gibberish>
> How about writing in English, so that what you write can be read? You prefer I trainslate my post to your native language, Nazi?
> Dushichka* HOWEDY People,
The followin is typical of the expert advice HOWER dog lovers are givin new readers of The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forum (rec.pets.dogs. behavior), cordially hosted by the biggest printin press in the Whole Wild World, where every last foul vowel is archived FOREVER...as EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST fear force deprivation intimidation punishment repression and confinement as behavioral remedies for man or beast.
From: "Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together" (algr...@panix.com) Subject: Re: Thanks. Jerry Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Date: 2002-01-13 16:06:12 PST
In <rLo08.751$0H.535...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> "melisande" <melisand...@hotmail.com> writes:
> verbal praise only. It's so hard not to pet and stroke > the dog (especially our seven month old). Can you > give me the rationale behind that? It will > help me modify my own behavior.
Jerry's afraid of dogs, and has never owned or trained a real one. he took all the stuff on his web site and in his (sic) manual from people who have actually trained dogs, and then ran it through his warped non-functional mind.
Once you understand that, you'll understand why he doesn't think people should touch dogs.
BTW, he's in my killfile so I won't see his response to this. But since you'll read it, you may see why he is a known net-kook:
http://www.ratbags.com/ranters/howe010515.htm
Curiously, that happens to be WON of The Puppy Wizzzard's BEST POSTS.
Email the Ward Attendant: rants @ratbags.com
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Ann, Twzl, Sligo and Roy
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INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF of this phenomena means The Puppy Wizzzard has DISCREDITED every traditionalist since descarte skinned his first kat alive to see HOWE it purrs. The Puppy Wizzzard's work makes that of Pavlov and Skinner look like child's play in the sandbox...
Well, we don't got to poison fifty rats to know that poison is gonna kill ya. The Puppy Wizzzard is DEATH on hurtin stuff.
EXCEPT UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS WHO TEACH HOWER KIDS TO HURT AND DEPRIVE AND PUNISH AND KILL WHEN THEY RUN OUTTA IDEAS AND INFORMATION...OR NEED DATA.
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SEE, dush?
THANK YOU~!
> The Vet from Uni Vet hospital has just rung me to give me a definite > diagnosis for Vitos skin and joint problems. Leishmaniosis. This from > sample of fluid from around the knee joints. My poor dog has been > suffering for two years and this is the diagnosis. Perhaps you should just KILLFILE him, eh, dush?
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador From: "Dushichka" <pseudibawote...@sillynames.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:29:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Biting Lab
"Lori E. Smith" <dirtydogho...@smithandwest.net> wrote in message news:b33d20$1eis62$1@ID-141594.news.dfncis.de...
> Dushichka - > Just killfile the troll. Most of us here have him killfiled, and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ~ PETS, Inc - http://www.petsinc.org/ > ~ http://petsinc.petfinder.org/ Thanks Lori, have done it!
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> I have to take him back first thing in the morning for more tests > and skin biopsies. I have not been told of a treatment plan, if > anyone has any links to info I would be very grateful. INDEED? Are you SHORE you won't FEEL too EMBARRASSED?
> I am googleing like mad -anybody have any experience of this? Here's ALL the INFORMATION you need, dush. JUST ASK if you want me to TRAINslate it to your native language, "NAZI":
*(CONtinued from the article quoted above):
The purposes of this lecture will be to review shortly this new paradigm and to discuss how to evaluate the immune status and immune response of dogs affected by leishmaniosis.
The old paradigm and the change Until now, key facts about canine leishmaniosis were:
1. The prevalence of the disease in the Mediterranean area was 1-5% and the seroprevalence 5-15% (higher in some foci).
2. Most infected dogs develop the disease, sooner or later.
3. Infected animals become seropositive.
Two research lines have changed this paradigm. First, immunologists demonstrated, investigating the experimental infection of mice with L. major, that the immune response plays a key role in the evolution of the infection. In mice genetically deficient in the cellular immune response (BALB/c, for instance) the infection progresses and a severe systemic disease appears. These mice develop a humoral immune response (Thelper-2, production of antibodies) which is inefficient in controlling the infection. Contrarily, mice belonging to other lines (C3H), control the infection by means of a cellular immune response (Thelper-1). In this last case CD4+ T cells are activated and produce gamma-interferon, which activates macrophages for the elimination of the parasites. Genetics, in consequence, is a key factor in the control of the immune response, which is the key factor for the evolution of the disease.
Later on it was demonstrated that the situation in the dog was very similar to those described in mice: not all infected dogs develop the disease. Furthermore, dogs which developed the disease showed a humoral immune response, contrarily to the resistant dogs which showed a cellular immune response (similar to helper type-1).
Dogs affected by the disease are strongly immunedepressed as can be demonstrated by lymphocyte proliferation tests or by the low production of cytokines by PBMCs after stimulation. The number of circulating CD4+ cells and the CD4+/CD8+ ratio drop during the disease.
The number of circulating CD4+ seems to be correlated with the severity of the clinical signs and with the infectivity.
A recent paper demonstrates that besides immune response other resistance factors are important in controlling susceptibility to leishmaniosis in the dog (Altet and co-workers, 2002).
These authors have mapped and sequenced the canine RAMP1 gene (Slc11a1) and demonstrated that dogs susceptible to canine leishmaniosis have mutations in this gene which controls an ion transport protein involved in the control of intraphagosomal replication of parasites. This paper together with a previous study demonstrating that Ibizian hounds (a breed authoctonous of the Balearic islands) present a predominantly cellular and protective immune response against Leishmania infection have pointed out the major role that genetics play in the outcome of Leishmania infection in the dog.
At the same time, epidemiological studies showed that the incidence of the prevalence of the infection is much higher than the prevalence of the disease. For instance, a study performed in Mallorca using the PCR techniques on different tissues demonstrated that Leishmania infects 2 out of 3 dogs. In this study, most infected dogs showed no clinical signs. Similar studies performed in France and Portugal found similar results.
Finally, both research lines melted when it was demonstrated that infected but asymptomatic dogs had a cellular, effective cellular immune response, contrarily to symptomatic dogs which had a mainly humoral immune response (although the situation is not so polarised as it is in mice). In short, the new paradigm was born.
The new paradigm
Prevalence of infection is much higher than traditionally thought. In endemic areas probably over 50% of dogs become infected.
Most infected dogs do not develop the disease and remain free of clinical signs. Prevalence of the disease ranges between 3 and 10%.
Infected animals without clinical signs show a cellular immune response against Leishmania and usually are seronegative or weakly seropositive (borderline titres).
The infected and ill dogs show a humoral immune response but a weak cellular immune response. In general these dogs are strongly immunedepressed and show very low numbers of circulating CD4+ cells.
A given dog can change from resistant to sensible to the disease and inversely. Drugs, infections, parasitic infestations, neoplasia, can induce the change.
Implications of the new paradigm for the diagnosis of the disease
The diagnosis of the disease is a complex task. The results of each technique have to be interpreted adequately. For instance, a positive PCR means, only, that the animal is infected (as a positive bone marrow smear). A positive means infection and humoral immune response, which usually is linked to development of clinical signs (especially if the titres are high).
The diagnosis, at the end, is always a clinical decision. Based on several analysis, but clinical. No one single test can establish a definitive diagnosis of leishmaniosis.
Diagnostic tests (serology, PCR, intradermal skin test with leishmanin) should be used when a dog show clinical signs compatible with the disease. The clinical behaviour to be followed in infected but clinically healthy dogs is, at the present moment uncertain. A periodic follow-up is, in any case, mandatory.
In most cases, several diagnostic techniques have to be combined to establish adequately the diagnosis. The techniques to be used in a given case depend on the clinical signs (for instance, a skin biopsy is usually very useful when cutaneous lesions are present).
In many patients, the disease is associated with a hidden cause which has depressed the immune response (drug treatments, parasitism, infection, chronic diseases...). In fact, scientific literature is full of case reports of leishmaniosis associated to different diseases (haemangiosarcoma, lymphoma, pemphigus foliaceous, ehrlichiosis,...).
A plausible explanation would be that these dogs were chronically infected animals that developed leishmaniosis when an event (treatment, infection, neoplasia,...) change their immune response.
Especially in middle-aged and old dogs affected by leishmaniosis the presence of hidden causes has always to be investigated.
After establishing the diagnosis, it is very important to evaluate the immune system of the patient and the type of specific immune response against Leishmania. This evaluation has to be continued during and after the treatment. Dogs immunedepressed and dogs which show a strong specific humoral immune response but a weak specific cellular immune response have worse prognosis.
The evaluation should include-if possible-number of circulating CD4+lymphocytes, lymphocytes CD8+ and CD4+/CD8+ ratio, specific immune response (intradermal skin test, lymphocyte blastogenesis, production of gamma-interferon) and specific humoral response (proteinogramme, titre of antibodies).
Counts circulating blood lymphocytes (CD4+, CD8+) using flow cytometry
Flow cytometry is an everyday technique for monitoring immunologic function in human beings, for example in HIV infection, but it is still a research tool in veterinary medicine. However, the technique and the markers are already in the market and very soon standardised protocols will be developed.
Flow cytometry permits the counting of the different subpopulations of lymphocytes: CD3+ or CD5+ (T cells), CD21+ (B cells), T helper (CD4+), T cytotoxic (CD8+).
In the healthy dog, according to our results and to published data, the percentages and counts of the different lymphocyte subpopulations are:
Bourdoiseau et al, 1997 Byrne et al, 1999
Lymphocytes 2315 cells /uL (100%) 100%
T (CD3+CD5+) 1800 cells/uL (78%) 83%
Thelper (CD4+) 975 cells/uL (42%) 45%
Tcytotoxic (CD8+) 410 cells/uL (18%) 28%
CD4+/CD8+ ratio 2,37 1,9
B cells 415 cells/uL (18%) 13%
In dogs with leishmaniosis, the number of circulating CD4+ cells decreases (also the CD4+/CD8+ ratio), and also the number of B cells (CD21+) (Bourdoiseau et al, 1997; Guarga et al, 2000, own results).
Most dogs in the acute phase of the disease are lymphopenic and all counts are disminished.
Percentage
Lymphocytes 100%
T (CD3+/CD5+) 90%
Thelper (CD4+) 10-30% (decrease)
Tcytotoxic (CD8+) 5-30% (increase)
CD4+/CD8+ ratio 1,5-1,8 (decrease)
B cells 6% (decrease)
This decrease in the number of CD4+ lymphocytes and of the CD4+/CD8+ ratio is clearly associated to the clinical signs. During therapy and clinical improvement there is a significant increase in the number and percentage of circulating CD4+ lymphocytes (Moreno et al, 1999). In consequence, CD4+ count and percentage and CD4+/CD8+ ratio are good prognostic indicators.
Furthermore, it has been demonstrated a higher infectivity to sand flies amongst dogs with lower proportions of T helper cells (CD4+) (Guarga et al, 2000).
Evaluation of the specific cellular immune response
1. Leishmanin skin test (Montenegro test, intradermal skin test with leishmanin) is a useful tool for the evaluation of the cell-mediated immunity in Leishmania infection in human beings and dogs. The technique is easy and inexpensive and it is well correlated with the intensity of the cell-mediated immune response.
A recent paper (Solano-Gállego et al, 2001) describes the standard- isation of the technique. However, the lecture is quite subjective, it needs two visits to the patient and the reagents are not in the market for diagnostic purposes (only for research).
2. Lymphocyte blastogenesis test (lymphocyte lymphoproliferation after stimulation with Leishmania antigen has been described as useful in the evaluation of cell-mediated immunity in canine leishmaniosis. However, in our hands, the correlation between this test and the clinical signs and other indicators of cell-mediated immunity is low. Furthermore, the test is very complex and the use in every-day practice would be very difficult.
3. Measurement of the production of gamma-interferon by peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) after stimulation with Leishmania has been described as a useful technique in the evaluation of the cell-mediated immunity. The production of gamma-interferon seems to be correlated with the protective cell-mediated immune response.
At present time, interferon levels, however, can only be measured (estimated) using a quite complex bioassay, not useful for the practice. Very probably in the future ELISA tests will be available to detect the production of gamma-interferon by PBMCs.
These tests are much more adequate for routine use.
Further tests to evaluate the immune response
1. At present time, the evaluation of the humoral immune response is based on titre of anti-Leishmania antibodies and proteinogramme. It has been well demonstrated that the titre of antibodies (mostly IgG2) is well correlated with the severity of the clinical signs.
Remember that the titres, after therapy, decrease very slowly in many dogs and that in some dogs remain positive years after clinical cure (confirming that animals although clinically healthy remain infected). However, in the evaluation of the response to therapy the normalisation of the proteinogramme and the decrease of the titres are indicators of good response and favourable prognosis.
The ratio between IgG1 and IgG2, which was suggested by some authors as a prognostic indicator, in our hands is not correlated with clinical evolution or with the severity of the clinical signs.
2. Remains to be investigated if the identification of the allele of the NRAMP1 gene (Slc11a1) has value in clinical practice, especially to predict the response to treatment. Apparently, the identification of the allele susceptible in the microsatellite of the gene should be easy using the published PCR technique (Altet et al, 2002).
References
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Speaker Information (click the speaker's name to view other papers and abstracts submitted by this speaker) Lluís Ferrer, Dip ECVD Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona Barcelona, Spain
Lluís Ferrer obtained a DVM degree in 1981 at the University of Zaragoza (Spain) and a Ph.D. at the Veterinary School of Hannover (Germany) in 1984.
He is Diplomate of the European College of Veterinary Dermatology and full member of the European Society of Veterinary Dermatology and of the American Academy of Veterinary Dermatology.
He is currently professor of Dermatology of the Veterinary School of the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona (Spain). He has published over 80 papers in referred journals and given numerous lectures in several countries. His major areas of interest are canine leishmaniosis, dermatopathology, skin neoplasia and biology of mast cells.
(the)duckster - 06 Jul 2008 00:27 GMT > My dog died on Tuesday night.I don't know what happened.he was fine, just > fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner.He vomited a bit on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it. My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible? I > just cant get over how he died so quickly Please accept my condolences on the passing of your pet. If it is any small comfort at all, at least it was in the loving arms of his owner.
Kind regards, (the)duckster
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>> My dog died on Tuesday night.I don't know what happened.he was fine, just >> fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner.He vomited a bit [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Kind regards, > (the)duckster tension_on_the_wire - 07 Jul 2008 06:38 GMT > My dog died on Tuesday night.I don't know what happened.he was fine, just > fine until Saturday evening when he refused his dinner.He vomited a bit on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it. My vet feels it was septic shock from infection. Is this possible? I > just cant get over how he died so quickly I'm very sorry, indeed, for your loss. Yes, septic shock, or any kind of shock can kill very rapidly. Feet, tail and ears being icy cold is an indicator of shock, but not of what kind. Black and tarry stools, however, suggest large blood loss from the intestines, meaning that his immediate death may have been from exsanguination (blood loss). But that could have been just a late result of the shock, not necessarily a cause. One thing, if you want to followup, is to find out what the seven-day results were on the blood cultures. They may have been negative at the time of death, but most cultures are left to brew for at least 7 days and sometimes the culprit bacteria doesn't show up until the 7th day, so those results may be positive by now. If the blood cultures were positive, then it does suggest septic shock, and the identification of the bacteria might suggest what organ was infected. It may have been kidney, but there may also have been something going on with the bowels if his original symptoms were gastroenteric.
I am sorry to hear that they sent him home while lethargic and not drinking, even though they are not a 24 hr. vet; I might have thought they would have a referral service to an animal hospital for any of their patients who become seriously ill. However, it is easy to say that after the fact; hindsight is always 20/20 and he may not have looked very bad at the time. I know that is no help to you now, and I am very sorry to say anything that would add to your pain, but if you can stand it, you have the right to request an autopsy to try and help you sort out the sequence of events if you really need to know. That is why I am saying it now, even though it is the last thing you want to think about at the moment, but you only have now to decide about that.
If you have any other animals, a good emergency plan might be to have the number of a 24 hour service handy so that you don't ever have to go through something like this without help or alone again. It must have been terrible for you, and the feeling of helplessness must have been just overwhelming. My heart goes out to you.
--tension
Dushichka - 07 Jul 2008 11:04 GMT Thnak you all so much for taking the time to reply -I just can't get my head around the fact that on Monday he was seen by a vet and on Tuesday he had died. I am in shock, I want him back desperately, according to bloodwork taken on the Monday, there was nothing particular going on apart from urinary infection and slight dehydration. I'm just in bits.
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