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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / August 2008Veterinary Textbooks - Opinions
Hi, I'm starting vet school in September, and just got the list of textbooks. Honestly there is no way in heck I can/should get all of them (most are marked as 'suggested' rather than mandatory) Here is the list. Anything stand out as a good book to have? (or worthless for that matter?) M is mandatory, S is suggested. I've heard from some other vet students at other schools that the anatomy textbook (Dyce, Sack and Wensing) isn't the best, so any suggestions there would be helpful. I'm told Duke's Physiology is very good. I've also heard good things about Jubb, Kennedy and Palmer (pathology), Feldman and Nelson is also supposedly a very good book. Dale M E. Burnett Technical Communication M Silverman, Kurtz, Draper Skills for Communicating with Patients M Budra, McCarthy, Fricke, Richter Anatomy of the Dog M K.M Dyce, W.O. Sack, C.J.G. Wensing Textbook of Veterinary Anatomy M Reece, WO - Editor Dukes' Physiology of Domestic Animals M P. Jensen (Editor) The Ethology of Domestic Animals M McGavin D, Zachary JF. Pathologic Basis of Veterinary Disease S Budras, Sack, Roeck Anatomy of the horse S Budras, Habel Bovine Anatomy S Koenig & Liebich Veterinary Anatomy of Domestic Animals: Textbook & Colour Atlas S Miller, Evans, H. Anatomy of the dog S Dellmann, D Veterinary Histology S Samuelson, DA Textbook of Veterinary Histology S Hildebrand, M, Goslow, GE Analysis of Vertebrate Structure S Kardong Vertebrates S PK Basrur Genetics in Veterinary Medicine S Nussbaum R. et al Genetics in Medicine S Butterworth-Heinemann Robinson's Genetics for Cat Breeders S R. Robinson Genetics for Dog Breeders S Ann T. Bowling Horse Genetics S RA McFeely (Editor) Advances in Veterinary Science and Comparative Medicine S FW Nicholas Introduction to Veterinary Genetics S Ed. Slauson, DO and Cooper BJ, Cockerell GL and Cooper BJ Disorders of Cell Growth and Cancer Biology in Mechanisms of Disease- A Textbook of Comparative General Pathology S Cheville, NE Introduction to Veterinary Pathology S Slausson DO, Cooper, B. Mechanism of Disease-A textbook of Comparative General Pathology S King JM, Dodd DC, Roth, L The Necropsy Book S Jubb, Kennedy and Palmer. Maxie MG Pathology of Domestic Animals S(on reserve) Dunlop RH; Malbert C-H. Veterinary Pathophysiology. S(on reserve) Randall D, Burggren W, French, K. Animal Physiology S(on reserve) Senger PL 2005 Pathways to Pregnancy and Parturition S(on reserve) Hafez, B; Reproduction in Farm Animals S(on reserve) Feldman E, Nelson R Canine and Feline Endocrinology and Reproduction S(on reserve) Pineda MH, Dooley MP McDonald's Veterinary Endocrinology and Reproduction S(on reserve) Lorenz MD, Cornelius LM, Ferguson DC Small Animal Medical Therapeutics S(on reserve) Church DC The Ruminant Animal: Digestive physiology and metabolism S(on reserve) Sejrson, K; Hvelplund, T. Nielsen MO Ruminant Physiology: digestion, metabolism, and impact of nutrition on gene expression, immunology and stress S(on reserve) Guyton AC Textbook of medical physiology S(on reserve) Cunningham JG, Klein BG Textbook of Veterinary Physiology S(on reserve) Tisch Animal Feeds, Feeding and Nutrition, and Ration Evaluation with CD-ROM S(on reserve) Greenhalgh, Morgan, Edwards & McDonald Animal Nutrition S(on reserve) Ceeke Applied Animal Nutrition: Feeds and Feeding S(on reserve) D'Mello Farm Animal Metabolism and Nutrition S(on reserve) Kellems & Church Livestock Feeds and Feeding S(on reserve) McNamara Principles of Companion Animal Nutrition Wow, either I've been out for way too long and books have totally changed, or your school uses a COMPLETELY different set of texts than mine did! The only book I even recognize the name of is Miller's Anatomy, which is what I used in school (and it was a decent anatomy text). I had a Feldman and Nelson internal medicine text which I liked, but I know nothing about their endocrinology book. No idea on the other books, though. One suggestion -- don't know if they are still doing it -- when I was in school Hill's pet food would provide food for students -- they hired students to "work" as liaisons -- no pay but you got textbooks paid for ;-). So if they still do that program, either sign up or become good friends with someone who is participating! My roommate worked for Hill's, so she received free of charge every single text that was recommended/required, and I had free access as well ;-). Saved me a LOT of money!!!!!! Deborah, DVM > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > S(on reserve) Kellems & Church Livestock Feeds and Feeding > S(on reserve) McNamara Principles of Companion Animal Nutrition Wait for the semester to start, then you will hear what your professors recommend and you can see the books in the library and decide for yourself. Otherwise you might end up with expensive shelf decorations. > Wait for the semester to start, then you will hear what your professors > recommend and you can see the books in the library and decide for > yourself. Otherwise you might end up with expensive shelf decorations. Obviously the profs have something good to say about *every* book on the list. Otherwise they wouldn't recommend them (i.e. put them on the list). What I'm really hoping for is to see some 'consensus' in various people that I ask which books are good. That way if once term starts I find my mandatory book for 'x' to not be very good, I have some options for what books might be worth looking in to. Dale > Obviously the profs have something good to say about *every* book on the > list. Otherwise they wouldn't recommend them (i.e. put them on the list). > What I'm really hoping for is to see some 'consensus' in various people that > I ask which books are good. This is not true at my school. 75% of my "required" books I never even opened. The professors frequently told us not to bother buying a book for a course and that the list was decided by a panel. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > also heard good things about Jubb, Kennedy and Palmer (pathology), > Feldman and Nelson is also supposedly a very good book. Wow, just wow. I agree with Deborah. Things have changed a lot since I was in school...and that was only 13 years ago. I also agree with Deborah that you should wait to see what is really needed. There's no way you'll need all those books (or will be able to afford them, I'd guess). Of all of them, the Dyce/Sack/Wensing anatomy book is the only one I recognize. I actually occasionally still go back to it, too. I think I remember getting a list like this, too, the summer before I started school. It was huge, but I bought a very small number of the books listed. Just wait until you get there. I'd guess the profs will tell you which books are truly needed for the course they teach. Sandy, DVM > Of all of them, the Dyce/Sack/Wensing anatomy book is the only one I > recognize. I actually occasionally still go back to it, too. That's good to hear. Must not be too bad of a book in that case. I had worried a little about it after reading a disgruntled second year's appraisal of their anatomy course (which used Dyce, Sack and Wensing). In retrospect though, their complaint was more about the course, and how they were teaching it all to themselves from the textbook, which I guess actually speaks well of the text. > I think I remember getting a list like this, too, the summer before I > started school. It was huge, but I bought a very small number of the books > listed. So far I've mostly confined myself to the ones listed as 'mandatory'. The suggested ones I bought I don't regret buying (Saunders Veterinary Dictionary and Dellmann's Veterinary Histology). May or may not be useful for the courses, but definitely good to have and refer to (I've already been pawing through them looking up bits and pieces as it strikes me). > Just wait until you get there. I'd guess the profs will tell you which > books are truly needed for the course they teach. > > Sandy, DVM Don't worry. I won't go hog wild spending thousands on textbooks ;). In previous years, I've avoided buying my textbooks until after the term starts, that way I can judge for myself whether a given book, listed as 'required' really is, or if its only really an 'option'. I've saved myself a considerable amount of money over the years doing this, but I figured this year some 'pre-term reading' might be in order, so I've been picking up a couple to leaf through while things are slow. So far I have 2 behavior books, 1 anatomy, 1 histology, 2 'communication' books (both listed as 'mandatory' and I figured probably a fairly easy read), 1 Physiology book, and a Dictionary). So far the only ones I regret buying in advance are the communication books. They seem pretty useless, overpriced and long winded (I can only hope that the prof will assign readings from them to justify the $200 I spent on them). Its kind of ironic that books on communication would be so bad at getting the point across. Dale > [snip] > So far I have 2 behavior books, 1 anatomy, 1 histology, 2 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > $200 I spent on them). Its kind of ironic that books on communication > would be so bad at getting the point across. Actually, as I was reading your post, I was thinking, "Huh, I wish we'd had some sort of discussion about communication in school. Oh, yeah, and behavior, too." Those were considered lessons to be learned "on the job" unfortunately. Not to poke trolls in other threads, but new graduates certainly have an advantage over more experienced veterinarians in that they've got some book-knowledge to facilitate their client communication skills. I think I'm pretty good at that aspect of my job, but I certainly didn't pick it up in lectures in school! Sandy, DVM >> [snip] >> So far I have 2 behavior books, 1 anatomy, 1 histology, 2 'communication' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > had some sort of discussion about communication in school. Oh, yeah, and > behavior, too." Don't get me wrong, its not that these aren't valuable topics, but the textbooks so far are pretty bad (I may change my mind once I've had a little more time to look a the books). They spend half their time trying to convince you that 'its really a science, and worth while reading', and that communication problems exist between client and doctor, very little time on any material or the practical advice as far as how to approach a particular situation. For a commincation textbook, its remarkably bad at getting infomation across. So far the actual 'meat' of the book could be summarized in about two pages (I'm about 100 pages in). Compare this to just about any other of my textbooks, where you'd have a hard time cutting even one page without loosing valuable information. The behavior texts are actually quite good, and I'm looking forward to seeing how some of it plays out in the real world. Dale |
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