Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / September 2008

doberman02 <none@000.com> said in alt.med.veterinary:

What does your vet say?  Mine says that Benadryl is OK for my
dogs and that they can take twice the human dose based upon
their weight.

IMO, though, all bets are off if you're giving it in conjunction
with other drugs.  IOW, ask your vet.  Phone advice is usually
given freely.

Is there a chance the veterinarian didn't say it was hives, but a Staph.
infection? It would be kind of useless to prescribe antibiotics for an
acute allergic reaction (like hives). It would be perfectly normal,
however, to dispense antibiotics to a young dog with a Staph overgrowth,
which will cause raised, red bumps that are itchy. Hives are much more
acute, are much larger than these red bumps, and will disappear within a
few hours generally. If the itch is just unbearable for your pup, please
call your veterinarian and discuss it with him/her. Maybe there's
something else going on that needs to be treated differently.

Sandy, DVM

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That's ABSURD.

Most states don't requre rabies pryor to 6 months of age.

Your puppy PROBABLY had pryor distemper and parvo vaccinations.

Bordatella vaccinations are a SCAM. The vaccine only
protects against a few strains and like the other vaccines,
can CAUSE GREAT HARM, EVEN DEATH, to your pets.

There's LOTS of reported cases of CANCERS at injection sites.

You're LUCKY it didn't KILL him like HOWE it happened
to another recent posters' dog here <{}: ~ ( >

Yeah. THAT MEANS he was ALREADY PROTECTED.

WON CANNOT have a histimine reaction withHOWET
pryor EXXXPOSURE to the DIS-EASE <{}: ~ ( >

RIGHT...

On WHAT SCIENTIFIC BASIS does a veterinarian
prescribe ANTIBIOTICS for a histimine reaction?

Ahhh, I KNOW~!

Under the LAWS of MALPRACTICE, THAT'S HOWE
COME a veterinarian would prescribe antibiotics to treat
an ALLERGIC response <{}: ~ ( >

Of curse~!

INDEED?

NO. Dogs require THREE TIMES the dosage of humans.

Perhaps you should ASK YOUR VETERINARY MALPRACTICIONER?

From: "Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@HotMail.Com"

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:44:04 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: Puppy jabs

HOWEDY Carlos,

"carlos" <carlos.1952...@dogbanter.com> wrote in message news:carlos.
1952...@dogbanter.com...

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and training mostly giant breed working dogs for families
and security specializing in temperament and behavior
problems and protection <{}: ~ ) >

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Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
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INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training  Method Manual:
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The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777*
Wits' End Method", abHOWET 1/4 down the page starting
with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my
phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME.

There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) >

You'll likeWIZE find ETHICAL nutrition and heelth
care practices taught on the heelth page *(last link
on the left side) of my website.

That all depends. CONtraWIZE the the "advice" you've
already received from the pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal muderin punk thug coward actuve accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental cases,
some of whom are veterinary malpracticioners and their
apologists, your dog may have NO immunity whatsoever.
OR he may be fully immunized. You'll have to gain a better
understanding of HOWE vaccinations work -- or DO NOT.

Giving vaccinations accordin to current veterinary
malpractice guidelines may CAUSE dogs to have
NO IMMUNITY or WORSE, make him succeptible
to other more deathly CONditions AS EXXXAMPLED
in sharon too a.k.a. Mrs. Veterinary Malpracticioner and
OFFICE MANAGER'S advice. She sez to start puppy
vaccination series at 6-8 weeks of age.

MOST puppys are STILL NURSING up to and beyond six weeks of age.

Vaccinations CANNOT WORK if the puppy has NATURAL
IMMUNITY from his mom's milk. Therefore, if a puppy is
NURSING for AT LEAST, perhaps longer than TWO WEEKS
pryor to innoculations, the innoculations will ONLY PROFIT
the VETERINARY MALPRACTICIONER and may cause
DEATHLY side effects in your puppy <{}: ~ ( >

AND she recommends multiple vaccinations at the same time:

From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed

I had a question from a reader wondering if he should
be giving her 4 year old Min Pin the combination
boosters of Rabies, Plus Distemper, Adenovirus,
Parainfluenza and Parvovirus.

Her dog has been getting yearly combination vaccines
on the advice of her veterinarian.
                ------------------

My suggestions..

NO

DON'T give the entire combination, ESPECIALLY to
a mature dog that has had their puppy boosters.

She is WELL protected.

In my humble opinion, this combination of vaccines
is doing More HARM, than good.

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It's all the same same:

Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

When J.Q. Pubic finally WIZES UP and stops following
their INSANE vaccination and surgical sexual mutilation
advice, the veterinary malpractice industry will suffer 90%
LOSS of profits.

By WHAT scientific heelth or behavioral research documentation
do you base THAT on, Carlos? Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES
a myriad of life long life, heelth, and temperament threatening risk
issues.

THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION for surgical sexual mutilations:

Subject: Re: The Long-term Heath Impacts of S/N in Dogs

On Mar 28, 1:48 pm,

       Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_
                        Research_Laboratory wrote:

Always good to have more food for thought!

Material that includes research data from 2006, 2005
was presented at ACC&D's Third International Symposium,
and part of the slideshows presentedare available here:
http://www.acc-d.org/2006%20Symposium%20Docs/Session%20I.pdf

Issues regarding previous assumptions on what neutering
does as a 'benefit' are pretty well challenged in this data above.

Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs (ACC&D) is a
nonprofit 501C(3) group involved in attempting to study, define
and resolve some of the problems that currently exist
internationally as they regard issues of animal population control.

"More than 120 representatives from universities, animal welfare
organizations, foundations, companies, and government agencies
from 11 countries gathered to share information and plan for the
future". Main site: http://www.acc-d.org/

"On the negative side, neutering male dogs if done before maturity,

increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer) by a factor of 3.8;
this is a common ancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a
poor prognosis.

increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6;
this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds

triples the risk of hypothyroidism

increases the risk of geriatric cognitive impairment

triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with
it the many associated health problems associated with obesity

· quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer

· doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers

· increases the risk of orthopedic disorders

· increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations

Hemangiosarcoma is a common cancer in dogs. It is a major
cause of death in some breeds, such as Salukis, French Bulldogs,
Irish Water Spaniels, Flat Coated Retrievers, Golden Retrievers,
Boxers, Afghan Hounds, English Setter, Scottish Terrier, Boston
Terrier, Bulldogs, and German Shepherd Dogs24.

In an aged-matched case controlled study, spayed females were
found to have a 2.2 times higher risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma
compared to intact females24.

A retrospective study of cardiac hemangiosarcoma risk factors
found a >5 times greater risk in spayed female dogs compared
to intact female dogs and a 1.6 times higher risk in neutered male
dogs compared to intact male dogs.25

The authors suggest a protective effect of sex hormones against
hemangiosarcoma, especially in females.

In breeds where hermangiosarcoma is an important cause of
death, the increased risk associated with spay/neuter is likely
one that should factor into decisions on whether or when to
sterilize a dog.

Hypothyroidism

Spay/neuter in dogs was found to be correlated with a three fold
increased risk of hypothyroidism  compared to intact dogs. The
researchers suggest  a cause-and-effect relationship26.

They wrote: "More important [than the mild direct impact on thyroid

function] in the association between [spaying and] neutering and
hypothyroidism may be the effect of sex hormones on the immune
system.

Castration increases the severity of autoimmune thyroiditis in mice"
which may explain the link between spay/neuter and hypothyroidism
in dogs.

"Dr. Spain, who has been recently involved in many studies assessing
the long-term risks and benefits of early-age neutering, presented
convincing data about the effects of spay/neuter on hip dysplasia,
cranial cruciate ligament rupture, long bone development, body
weight, diabetes, urinary tract infections, mammary cancer, and
several other conditions."

CONCLUSIONS

An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature reveals
a complex situation with respect to the longterm health impacts
of spay/neuter in dogs.

The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both positive
AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also suggests how much we
really do not yet understand about this subject.

On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made for
neutering most male dogs to prevent future health problems,
especially immature male dogs. The number of health problems
associated with neutering may exceed the associated health
benefits in most cases.

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NO, NOT if your veterinarian AIN'T a malpracticioner. Here's
HOWE to determin THAT. ASK your veterinarian if he can
DEFEND his malpractices when you give him THIS information.

When he declines to DEFEND HISSELF on accHOWENTA
HE CAN'T, get yourself a new veterinarian who DON'T NEED
to DEFEND HISSELF hisself and will advise you according to
the NEEDS and in the beast interests of your dog:

                 IMPORTANT UPDATE:
  Vaccines - What Your Doctors WON'T TELL YOU -

      They're Killing Your Pets And Children With
              "RESPONSIBLE," ETHICKAL"
                  Medical MALPRACTICE;

   And LAUGHIN All The Way To The BANK~! <{}: ~ ( >

From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed
Website: http://www.veterinarysecretsrevealed.com

A new petition on Pet Vaccines.

This is the single most important health issue
facing our dogs and cats today.

First..Here is the link below is to sign petition for safer
vaccinations for our companion animals.

http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html

I wanted to give you some additional information on Dog and Cat
Vaccines, and I found some fabulous stuff at Catherine O'Driscolls
site, Canine Health Concern.

She is eminently qualified to write on this topic, and she
has authored 2 books on this topic.

'Shock to the System', and 'What Vets DON'T tell
You About Vaccines'.

She is in Scotland, hence her reference to 'America'

Here are her answers to some very common Vaccine Questions...

Q: Should I vaccinate my dog or cat every year?

A: No. There is absolutely no scientific justification for annual
vaccination. According to Dr Ronald D Schultz, head of pathobiology
at Wisconsin University, and the world's most eminent expert on
canine and feline immunology, "once immunity to a virus exists,
it persists for years or for the life of an animal". This fact,
supported by further duration of immunity studies, has been
accepted by veterinary bodies in America and Australia. The
consensus is that, if you wish to vaccinate your dog, then he
should have puppy shots followed by one shot after six months
of age, and then no further shots are required.

Q: I thought vaccines were safe - what are the adverse effects?

A: Inflammatory ('itis') diseases in dogs and cats are becoming
increasingly common, due largely to vaccines. Vaccines contain
modified live viruses; formaldehyde (a cancer-causing preservative
used to embalm corpses); mercury and aluminium salts (both toxins);
serum (blood products); and other worrying substances. The medical
and veterinary professions readily acknowledge that both humans and
animals can have allergic reactions to serum. But add all the other
components, and it's no wonder some individuals have allergic
reactions.

In addition, vaccines are often cultivated on dog and cat brains and
kidneys, on hamsters, on monkeys, and on chick embryos. If any of
these animals' tissues are inadequately removed from the vaccine,
the patient can have a hypersensitivity reaction to them. The words
'hypersensitivity', 'allergy', and 'inflammation' are
interchangeable.

Sometimes the hypersensitivity reaction is so severe that the patient
must be immediately injected with adrenaline or they will die.

Because vaccines are generally injected straight into the
bloodstream,
components can be carried around the body. Depending upon the
animal's genetic predisposition, the allergic reaction could manifest
as
inflammation of the brain, inflammation of the digestive system,
inflammation of the bones and joints - in fact, any of the many
inflammatory conditions.

This is why scientists have written and produced scientific papers
that link vaccines in with brain damage, epilepsy, behavioural
problems,
colitis, arthritis, thyroid disease, heart failure, kidney failure,
cancer and
more.

The practice of cultivating vaccines on animal tissue has also been
called into question. The Salk Polio vaccine illustrated the dangers
of this when it was discovered that it was contaminated with a range
of monkey retroviruses.

SV40, a monkey retrovirus found in the Salk vaccine, has been found
at the cancer sites of people who received this vaccine. Worryingly,
it
has also been found at the cancer sites of their children. SV40
switches
off the part of the DNA that protects from cancer.

SIV, another monkey retrovirus, was also a contaminant in the Salk
vaccine. SIV and HIV are closely related viruses, and independent
scientists have traced the emergence of AIDS to mass polio vaccination
in the Belgian Congo and amongst male homosexuals in New York who
were given the vaccine in an attempt to protect against genital
herpes
(however strange this might sound!).

Similarly, an avian (bird) retrovirus has been found in leukaemia
patients, and it is thought that the retrovirus came from the MMR
vaccine. Distemper and measles are virtually identical viruses, and
both vaccines are cultivated on chick embryos.

Where did parvovirus come from in the 1970s, killing thousands of
dogs? Scientists have been quoted as saying that it was a cross-
species
disease, created by a vaccine manufacturer who cultivated the
distemper
vaccine on cats infected with feline enteritis.

The first vaccine for this new disease was a stopgap: the feline
enteritis vaccine.

The disease occurred simultaneously around the world. Naturally
occurring diseases spread slowly, but vaccine manufacturers send
their products out in batches around the world, easily creating a
worldwide epidemic.

By looking at scientific data from both human and animal-based
research, we are able to say that vaccines are proven to cause
inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases.

The UK vet Christopher Day observed that, where the start
date of an illness in his patients is known, around 80% of
patients started to be ill within three months of vaccination.

CHC put this theory to the test by inviting pet owners to complete
a short questionnaire.

There were over 4,000 dogs in the survey. We asked, if your
dog is ill, when did he become ill in relation to the vaccine?
We have been astounded by the results so far.

91% of Ataxia cases occurred within three months of a vaccine event

81% of dogs who had tumours at their vaccine sites, first developed
the tumours within three months of being vaccinated

78.6% of dogs with encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) first
developed the condition within three months of being vaccinated

73.1% of epileptic dogs first became epileptic within three months
of being vaccinated

65.9% of dogs with colitis developed the condition within that first
three months

64.9% of dogs with behavioural problems started to be a problem
within three months of vaccination

61.5% of dogs developed liver failure within three months of being
vaccinated

The above figures were chosen at random from our findings to
illustrate the principle to you: vaccines may be protecting our
dogs against viral disease, but they are doing this at a very high
price.

If vaccination had no bearing on subsequent illness, only 25% of
dogs should become ill in each three-month period.

Q: Is CHC saying that we should leave our dogs unprotected against
horrible diseases like distemper and parvovirus?

A: No, certainly not. In fact, we would say you should not
leave your dogs unprotected. But you can minimise the risks.

Firstly, if you choose to continue vaccinating, you could have
puppy shots and possibly the first year's booster, and leave it
at that. This is the advice being given now by veterinary colleges
in America.

Secondly, you could use the homoeopathic alternative instead.
This has been used by many breeders and show people for years.
Reports indicate that homoeopathically protected dogs are far
healthier than vaccinated dogs.

There are several scientific studies showing that the homoeopathic
alternative works.

Vaccine manufacturers are currently trying to tell us that dogs need
annual boosters against leptospirosis, which is a bacterin rather
than
a virus. However, many eminent scientists say that this vaccine should
actually be withdrawn as it is not very protective, and it is the
vaccine
most associated with adverse reactions.

The kennel cough virus mutates (like the flu) so you can't guarantee
permanent immunity from the vaccine. However, scientific research
has shown that the homoeopathic nosode is more protective against
kennel cough than the vaccine - and it's safer.

Q: My vet tells me that you are scaremongering and that I should
continue to vaccinate every year. I don't know what to do.

A: Vets, however well-meaning, are educated in colleges that rely
upon vaccine and pharmaceutical companies for funding in the form
of sponsorship, research grants, scholarships and bursaries. Colleges
are reliant upon big business for funding, and few people are willing
to bite the hand that feeds them.

Vets' education with regard to vaccines tends to stop beyond "do it".

Our knowledge about immunity has improved greatly over the past
five years. Some of the information coming to light about vaccines
will present an ethical and economic challenge to veterinarians.

But your pet deserves to come first, over and above any such
challenges.

If your vet says annual vaccination is necessary, ask him if he has
heard of the research coming out of America, and the advice that
annual vaccination is unnecessary.

If he has heard of this research, he cannot dismiss your questions.
If he has not heard of it, then he lacks the knowledge to advise.

Finally, your dog looks at you with love and trust in his eyes, not
at a stranger in a white coat. It is vitally important that you do
as
much as you can to understand the facts.

Please don't do as I did and allow your dogs to die before you
discover the truth. I wish you and your animal friends many
happy and healthy years together.

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P.S. The more I learn about Vaccines, the less I want to give them.

You can read more about them in my Special
Report called 'The Veterinary Code'

It's at http://www.theveterinarycode.com

It's Your Pet. Heal Them At Home!

Best Wishes,

Dr Andrew Jones, DVM

                      ----------------

    "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
   "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
                      -Friedrich Schiller.

                          INDEEDY.

  AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

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          I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
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