Posting this for a friend. The vet is scratching his head at this
time. Any thoughts as to what this might be or what to look for? [my
comments added]
Thanks,
Dave
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Here's the story with Buster and his unusual liver.
Buster is a 6-1/2 year old mix. We think he is part husky, lab and
shepard. His health has always been good except for a few extra pounds
that we've been working on getting rid of. He drinks a ton of water and
we have given him unfiltered water from the park bubbler [water fountain
for you non-Wisconsinites] on walks. The water in this area seems to
have a high iron content. [The park water. They have an iron filter at
home.] We have also given him on a regular basis about 1/6 serving of
braunshweiger [sausage]. Since discovering this problem we have
discontinued both the unfiltered water and the braunshweiger.
Approximately 8 weeks ago Buster had an episode which came on very
rapidly (he was OK at 7 PM and not by 10:30 PM) where he was either so
lethargic that he couldn't walk or something was wrong with his legs
such that he
couldn't walk. He would only get up if we coaxed him and only if we
helped. He did not look sick otherwise. By the next morning he was
slightly better but still hesitated walking. Although he ate breakfast
and drank water and went outside to go to the bathroom. Since this was
Sunday we decided to call the vet the next day if there was no
improvement. By Monday morning he was perfectly fine - running, playing,
chasing squirrels. So we didn't talk to the vet until a couple weeks
later when he had a scheduled appointment.
Although the doctor first thought it may be a bleeding spleen tumor,
they ruled that out with ultrasound.
He had an ultrasound, x-ray, blood work, bile acid test and laparoscopy
to take pictures of the liver and a biopsy. The spleen looked fine and
the blood work was normal. The liver is smaller than normal and showed
up with
an unusual (bright) contrast on the US. The pictures taken during the
laparoscopy showed fat attached to the liver which was unusual and the
liver had a mottled appearance. It is suppose to look like cow's liver
and did
not.
The biopsy results came back that it is not cancer. The liver tissue
showed inflammation and had a toxic level of iron. Buster's level is
2800 mg/g [mg/Kg] and a level of 500-1000 mg/g [mg/Kg] is considered
high. They ruled out a storage disease because the iron is in the tissue
but not the cells. They called it extra hepatic.
We cannot think of any episode where Buster ingested anything with a
high iron content (i.e. like iron supplements). The vet investigate
possible methods of removing the iron with medication but found that it
is an
intravenous process and is typically used on an acutely ill animal right
after the ingestion of the toxin. At this point they were contacting a
liver expert from Cornell University and I haven't been able to connect
with the doctor to get an update.
> Posting this for a friend. The vet is scratching his head at this
> time. Any thoughts as to what this might be or what to look for? [my
> comments added]
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
Any chance this dog was eating Go!Natural pet food?
DaveL - 22 Nov 2003 00:47 GMT
> > Posting this for a friend. The vet is scratching his head at this
> > time. Any thoughts as to what this might be or what to look for? [my
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>
> Any chance this dog was eating Go!Natural pet food?
Don't know, but I'll find out....
thanks
Hey resident DVMs - any ideas on this one???
> Posting this for a friend. The vet is scratching his head at this
> time. Any thoughts as to what this might be or what to look for? [my
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> liver expert from Cornell University and I haven't been able to connect
> with the doctor to get an update.
MK - 23 Nov 2003 15:55 GMT
> Hey resident DVMs - any ideas on this one???
>
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> > liver expert from Cornell University and I haven't been able to connect
> > with the doctor to get an update.
I suspect the lack of replies is because we don't have much to add to this
one. At least I don't. Iron toxicity is known to cause liver disease, so
that would appear to be what's happening here. The specialist they are
contacting will be able to give them much better advice than I could about
what the best treatment is. This is not something we commonly treat, so I
don't have any experience with iron-related liver disease. I hope the
specialist is able to offer some hopeful advice.
MK DVM
You should snip Xposts and trim text and
put NINNYBOY in the subject header
to avoid EMBARRASSMENT, DOG ABUSER.
BWEEEHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
> You really are not very intelligent. I have made sure to filter
your posts
> in the future good bye.
>
> "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
> news:aaS_b.19094$W74.4853@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > HOWEDY sarak,
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> > > > > without testing it) and the shock is not painful but not
> > > > > enjoyable either. The way I look at it is he would
rather
> > > > > be running free and get the occasional shock than be on
> > > > > leash. I seldom have to use it now b/c it worked so
well.
> > > > > "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net>
> > > > > wrote in message news:JiSYb.10300
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> > > > > > > I want to train my dog to stay in the yard but I do
> > > > > > > not want it to be out of fear and the idea of
"shocking"
> > > > > > > my dog just doesn't sit right with me.
> > >
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> > >
> > > > > > Yeah. The consensus of opinion is to killfile Jerry,
every
> > > > > > thing I say is a lie, and I've never seen a dog
before,
> > and
> > > > > > I'm a fraud.
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> > > > > > dog to do anything you'd like, using non force, non
> > > > > > confrontational, scientific and psychological
conditioning
> > > > > > techniques available for FREE in my FREE Wits' End
> > > > > > Dog Training Method manual.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will be leaving for L.A. this morning to do
the
> > > > > > > seminar.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > wearing the collar to work. That's understandable,
> > > > > > because you burn the dog till he learns to train you
to
> > > > > > shut the juice off.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > corresponding collar and train a few green problem
> > > > > > dogs with it. Maybe a nice dog fighting pit bull to
break
> > > > > > of dog on dog aggression against another dog
> > > > > > aggressive pit bull, freddie?
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> > >
> > > > > > You still shock Maddie because she's still not
properly
> > > > > > trained. I don't think you'd train dogs if you got the
> > same
> > > > > > amount of static like stimulation from your medical
grade
> > > > > > shock device as you give the dogs. PROVE ME
> > > > > > WRONG, you miserable coward.
> > >
> > > > > > Care to put this to a test, freddie? I'm liable to
come up
> > > > > > with some pretty high stakes to see you pull this one
> > off...
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> > > > > > Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe,
> > > > > > The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >