Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / February 2004

I don't know if it happens in hawks but the birds in my area were all dying
from salmonella poisoning.  The eyes looked the way you described.
Salmonella poisoning (at least that is what I think it was) is treatable.
Have you contacted a veterinarian that sees wildlife?

Mythtery,
   Yikes... There could be many , many causes... First what type of hawk
( or falcon or buteo etc) ... where did you get this bird? i.e. injured,
weak in the wild, legit breeder... etc
Also... Hawks do not eat carrots.... Where did you find the info to feed
them carrots for Vit A...Seems a bit odd since they are carnivores.
If you  want some help for the hawk... please go to a vet that specializes
in hawks or a rehab center that does or contact a falconer, they will have
excellent resources.

Mythtery,
   Sorry, didn't want to come on too strong... but you need a pro to see
your hawk
Best of luck

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

news:<103ugfhd6fpqv99@corp.supernews.com>...

Unless there's new snow over the track.
When a dog is scentin a track he's not
likely to be LOOKIN cause his nose tells
the story, don't it.

Some do, some DON'T.

Like YOUR SELECTIVELY BRED HAND PICKED
and TESTED SAR dog JIVE.

Like the kind your SAR dog JIVE gets HIGH SCORES on.

IMAGINE? Unlike on a REAL LIFE SAR site
where the dog is workin on sheer instinct,
kinda like DANCIN, eh?

Dogs get little STIMULATION from a visual track.
Dogs kinda live their lives through their noses, rather
like HOWE you live your life through the chemical
straight jacket of your anti psychotic cocktail.

INDEEDY. The visual track would have as
little effect on a dog as the warnin on the
bottle to take your medication with food and
wait in a rubber room for a HOWER or so
for the mind numbing effects to trainspire.

That so? SIGHTS PLEASE?

You mean the scent is frozen to the grHOWEND
kinda like as if it was stuck in the mud or under
forty feet of water... ain't that correct, lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

You mean cause of the drying effects of the
anti psychotic medications?

Let's talk MOORE abHOWET life in SAR work,
the dangerHOWES life of SAR fantasy withHOWET
a chemical straight jacket?:

            WORDS OF WISDOM from our own
                            Lynn Kosmakos
     1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                            For Twenty Years

   I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
 requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.

 I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
 more, while happily sharing pertinent information
 I have learned.  But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
 I would hope that every other reader of this group
 would be rightfully outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the
  easily understood rules and contributing to in
  constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

 "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
 - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
 a comment she made about scarey side effects of
 Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
 I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
 any side effect is far less frightening than the
 very real dangers of life without it."

 Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

ROTATE YOUR MEDS!

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

SEE? TOLD YA SO!

Here's lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's PARTNER:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

 --Mike Dufort
   author of the zero selling book
   "Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

YOU HURT and KILL DOGS, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

Know what? The OP would do better askin a MENTAL
CASE off the street than relyin on you and you MENTALLY
ILL LYIN DOG ABUSIN PUNK THUG COWARDS:

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.  I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard
don't want noWON to miss the FREAK PARADE:

From: Sunni12 (sunni12@aol.com)
Subject: I am
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
Date: 1998/12/02

a major bitch today

-Sunny

---------------

From: Sunni12 (sunni12@aol.com)
Subject: Re: got a question - how long before I'm an EX-cutter?
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
Date: 1998/11/30

Its been about 9 months since I last cut.

I consider myself a recovering self injurer.

I still get the urge at times.

And like an alcoholic, i could easily slide.

So, Im proud of me for being in recovery from cutting....

And I'm proud of you Laz for being in recovery

and Im proud of everyone else resisting the temptation.

Love, hope and caring to yall all

-Sunny

---------------

From: Sunni12 (sunni12@aol.com)
Subject: Re: is it self injury if:
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
Date: 1998/12/03

I dont know.
I wonder myself.
I do the same thing.
Im a self injurer and an obsessive compulsive.
I always thought it was picking from my OCD.

-Sunny

----------------

From: Sunni12 (sunni12@aol.com)
Subject: Re: I wish I was........
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
Date: 1998/12/05

Thanks. That was a really bad day when I wrote it.
Much better now.

Thanks

Sunny
who should do something about her PMS

RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03

NEW!!

LYNN K.  20 plus years on Lithium
LOIS E.  25 plus years on tricyclics

Hello Fans,

here is our latest NEW AND IMPROVED crazy person
update, including our latest mentally unstable person,
Lois E. of Gary and Lois fame who has been on Tricyclics
pushing 25 years. She is no longer afraid to talk about it.

Neither is Lynn K. who embraces her mental illness and
opens up about her 20 plus years on Lithium, as well as
her love afair with Zoloft.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03

I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER (MANIC DEPRESSION) I ALSO CARE
ABOUT DOGS
COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING

            WORDS OF WISDOM from our own
            Lynn Kosmakos

=======================================

From: Chris Kosmakos (chriskoz@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: complaints and goodbye

Lisa K. Baird (lbaird@infinet.com) wrote:

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
  (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
  and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.  I, also, care
  about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
  while happily sharing pertinent information
  I have learned.  But if I were ever to post
  such sh*t, I would hope that every other
  reader of this group would be rightfully
  outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the
  easily understood rules and contributing to in
  constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIM
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems.  LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

-----------------------------------------

 "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
 - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
 a comment she made about scarey side effects of
 Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
 I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
 any side effect is far less frightening than the
 very real dangers of life without it."

 Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
----------------------------------------

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:

 Yeah.  It's interesting, but kind of
 watered down for the mass market, if
 you know what I mean.  There's really
 quite a lot of good work out there and
 decent research.  Thank God.

 Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR... YOU
DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (garyl@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

 BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

 "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
 for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
 the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
 is now days you can say proudly,

 "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
 taking them it was seen as something shameful.
 If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
 a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
 depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
 "You're depressed, on medication?  Well, can't have
 any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

 The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
 father locked her in her room back in the twenties
 because she was simple. A shame that medication
 probably would have helped her live a normal life.

 No Denna, I was just saying with   Darlene's
 personality, she has a way of making grandiose
 plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
 does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
 with problems could be counted on to be
 irresponsible."

 Lois E.
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MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses.

I think it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who
is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any
misunderstandings and promote group harmony.

Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING!
list as of 12/21/2003:

list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy)
Regulars Most of whom are women or homosexuals

RPD CRAZY PERSON ROLL CALL and BIOS
=============================================
=============================================

NESSA
NUTCASE
MVP  (Most Valuable Psycho) of dog newsgroups

Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP

Nessa blames all the problems in her life
moston ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronym
which encapsulates her futility for her

Her dog bagel, a large newf mix
has used her house liberally
as a toilet since February of 2002. Drives
a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in
suburban MD, recently got a raise/promotion
to US goverment grade 11 (circa $50,000) and
promptly decided she couldn't afford her two
dogs. With help from non crazy regular
(Paulette) and witchcraft practicing regular
Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to keep her
dogs for the time being. She is undergoing
training from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery
and getting Run Over for the Family Pet."
Her results have not been dramatic.

CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
Leah helping Nessa

=============================

On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote

Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote:
 "As far as the depression goes,  it's not
 related to Bagel at all.  I have
 chronic major depression and I'm just having
 a flare."

 Leah asks
 "Are you on any medication?"

Nessa responds

 yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
 I have been for over 10 years.

 --nessa

Nessa is Fat as well as crazy
=============================
 "For what it's worth...

 I picked up 30 pounds when I started
 Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
 20 on risperidol.

 I hate that I  was a size 8-10 before meds and
 now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.

 Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
 The positive effects
 are too much to part with."

 --nessa
============================

NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
==============================

 Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
 He is at the Rosyln Metro Station.  His name is
 Martin Stein
 1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
 Suite 907
 Arlington Va 22209
 703-807-2471
 email  75120.2296@compuserve.com

 Marty is wonderful.  He is really the best.
 He has also given me permission to post his
 infomation on this Newsgroup.  If you call
 him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
 sent you.

 --nessa
================================

ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS
=============================

 from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com)

 Hi,

 I often have to rotate my stimulants.
 You can become used to them and sometimes
 need a different one for a while.  Until I
 got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
 Dexedrine every 3 months or so.

 It is true that anti-depressants or
 anti-anxiety pills will help with the
 stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
 perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
 a switch from cylert to something else might
 be in order.

 warm thoughts,
 Nessa
=============================

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=============================================

Lois E.
(of Gary and Lois fame)

Lois' has been on tricyclic antidepressants for
approximately 25 years. This may be a record.
Husband is a cop but there is no evidence
that he beats the crap out of her, or that he
has for 25 years.

Had a traumatic experience as a child with a
horse running wild in the Pantry and living room.
In recent years, shot neighbor's dog from point
blank range while it was chewing on her pigmy goat,
teaching son to solve problems with the neighbor's
using shock and awe levels of violence."

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

 "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
 for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
 the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
 is now days you can say proudly,
 "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
 taking them it was seen as something shameful.
 If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
 a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
 depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
 "You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
 any pain meds.....you could become addicted." The
 good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
 father locked her in her room back in the twenties
 because she was simple. A shame that medication
 probably would have helped her live a normal life.
 No Denna, I was just saying with   Darlene's
 personality, she has a way of making grandiose
 plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
 does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
 with problems could be counted on to be
 irresponsible."

 Lois E.

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=============================================

Kelly/
culprit

 Systems engineer at Microsoft, owner of two
 pitbulls, proving that Bill Gates does not
 discriminate against crazy people or pit bull
 owners.

 psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
 forward so that others like her will have the
 strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
 she is one of our most entertraining regulars

 Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
 about her mental illness/crazy problems.
 Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
 and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
 being crazy, aka wacked in the head

culprit standing up for herself against rude and condescending
Mustang
Sally
-----------------------------------------------

 I WON'T DENY MY PROBLEMS, MUSTANG SALLY!

 "but i stand by the fact that OCD is an
 illness, major depression with psychotic features
 certainly is,  panic disorder is too.  and the
 other stuff just makes it all the more fun.

 i don't wallow in it.  i'm just now learning to
 accept it, because ignoring it wasn't working out
 too well.  i need to do that to make changes to my
 life so that i can become healthy.  and you say
 you're not trying to be condescending, but you're
 doing it again.  what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
 "people who think they're mentally ill are
 wallowing in their disabilities and letting them
 consume their life"

 you come across as though you would be able to
 handle any of these illnesses, and anyone who
 can't is just copping out.  well we're all
 different.  and i don't accept your idea that i
 would have a more productive life if i denied my
 problems.  i tried it for years, and believe me,
 it didn't work very well."

 -kelly aka culprit
 systems engineer @ Microsoft
----------------------------------------------

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MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)

(super psycho bitch
lunatic queen of the
mentally f.cked in
the head)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,

MaryBeth has suffered from or been:

 TIDAL WAVES OF PMS

 suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
 mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
 just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
 blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
 "zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
 through layers and layers of gauze," chain
 smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
 terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
 brain, lack of concentration..etc.
 severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
 ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
 it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

 I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH

 "I know for a fact I went thru years of
 being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
 being self centered, being self pitying,
 you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
 everyone in my path."

 "<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
 on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
 You become another person, if it's not the
 correct med for you.

           --All the best,
             MaryBeth

 DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER

 "Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
 Rheumatologist told me that taking
 Ultram with it can cause seizures."

 "I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
 times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
 'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
 my doc next Friday to test for menopause."

           --MaryBeth

 ME NOT SO HORNY

 "I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
 into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
 like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
 either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
 (but at the time I thought there was no other
 way out)."

           --MaryBeth

 NEW TO GROUP

 "Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
 I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
 mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
 reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
 Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
 myself :)"

          --MaryBeth <still feeling
            like herself> <G>

 WASTED 10 YEARS

 "I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
 many many treasured ppl and things. Please
 don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))

          --MaryBeth

 WAS HORRIBLE

 "Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
 worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
 along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
 The depression got so bad, and lots of other
 things happened and my ex and I would up
 divorced four years after our move. It was
 horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
 thru"

          --MaryBeth

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=============================================

Theresa Willis

 (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
 Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
 of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
 gang attack people with her pal shelly
 Victim is usually Leah, but may be a
 random person.

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=============================================

shelly
couvrette

 Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
 for mental illness, but claims she does
 not take it, resulting in an obsessive
 basket case online persona. Posts more than
 any other female in all dog newsgroups

  (familial mental illness, possibly related
  to family bed) obsessively starves her
  dogs according to friends, family,
  strangers and 3 different vets, but
  not herself (see below). Still thinks
  of herself as a five year old ballerina
  despite the fact that she is a fat
  adult in her mid thirties.

 PAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR BONUS COVERAGE

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lynn
kosmakos

    RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1

(Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer. Murders
dogs because of insurance rates
Her brother was attacked by a Golden
Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she murders easily
trainable dogs. Condemns dogs to
death who are easily trainable
with her "evaluations."
Is nice to people in person, but
her true dog hating nature comes
out on newsgroups with
extreme clarity.

Advocates shooting dogs on sight, when
they chase deer. Sees no other
option. Her own dog Java had to be shocked
with a shock collar to keep him from
chasing deer.

has been on lithium for approximately
20 years. Zoloft for an undetermined
number of years

  1200mg LITHIUM
  50mg ZOLOFT

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
  (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
  and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.  I, also, care
  about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
  while happily sharing pertinent information
  I have learned.  But if I were ever to post
  such sh*t, I would hope that every other
  reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

 WE EARN THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the
  easily understood rules and contributing to in
  constructive ways."

    Lynn K.

  I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

 "I particularly remember
  a comment she made about scarey side effects of
  Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
  I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
  any side effect is far less frightening than the
  very real dangers of life without it."

    Lynn K.

From: Chris Kosmakos (chriskoz@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Prozac - Good medication or no?

  I TAKE A SIMILAR DRUG MYSELF

  "Yes, for very specific behaviorial problems.
  I would have to trust my vet and behaviorist
  a lot, and be very sure that I had exhausted
  every other option before I used Prozac to
  deal with a dog problem - and I take a
  similar drug, Zoloft, myself."

   Lynn K.

=============================================
=============================================

Leah

 Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
 about being mentally ill. Has taken
 several other mentally ill medications
 before settling on effexor for her
 chronic mental problems. Leah is
 improving as a dog trainer and wants
 to open her own training/boarding
 kennel soon and write a book.

 This drives her fellow
 mentally ill regulars nuts (read shelly
 Lynn K.),
 especially if Leah succeeds while other
 loonies continue to sit on their fat
 behinds

 Leah is a relatively stable crazy person
 but she just might be the agent that drives
 others to jump off of a cliff

=============================================
=============================================

Tara Green

Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York
City left rpd* claiming that she could
not afford internet access and/or a computer,
but her story is of value nonetheless

 was on antidepressants for a few years
 prior to her marriage. During her
 marriage, she learned a lot:
 "With the therapist I saw during my
 marriage I learned that some
 situational depressions are masked as
 chemical simply because of our too human
 ability to prolong the impact of the
 causal situations indefinitely"

 Sounds like more denial, see leah

 Tara is also a drunk who has also had
 problems with other substances

 TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:

 "Tara (who had some problems with quite a
  few substances as well, but who thinks they
  are separate issues.....so which camp does
  that put me in???)"

 "Believe it or not, some people don't have
  a problem with drugs even though they are
  alcoholics. I'm not one of those people,
  but they do exist."

  aka, tara has problems with both

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Kevin
Michael
Vail

 various mental illness drugs, started with
 zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
 antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
 side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy
 Kevin is a homosexual but there is no
 evidence that this is the cause of him
 being crazy

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Furpaw

     (SSRI, cognitive therapy)
      otherwise, a fairly boring
      and nondescript crazy person

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Chris Jung

         (Prozac and Welbutrin,
          cognitive therapy)

         another very boring nutcase

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Charlie
Wilkes

 drugged out, crazy, f.cked up all his
 life, Christ the sh.t he's been through
 including psych wards and electroshock
 treatments but now pulling down major cash
 as a business consultant. Triumphing over
 adversity, with a damn good life and a
 well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
 One of our most lucid regulars, despite
 (or maybe because of?) a penchant for phat
 philly blunts.

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Karen
DuChateaux
aka Karibear

 suffered from clinical depression for years
 until some drug or something brought her out
 of it. Some of her best friends "are
 certifiable" and have various degrees of
 psychoses. Familial mental disability.
 Refuses to say whether or not she is
 currently using drug or cognitive therapy
 for mental illness.

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Mike
"DumbOxDumb"
Dufort

 threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
 with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
 Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
 HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)

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Jim "Brain
Shivers"
Sabatke

 Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
 because of his depression/mental problems.
 Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
 trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
 from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
 the "brain shivers"

   From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com)
   Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
   alt.support.depression.medication
   Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST

   EFFEXOR
   "I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
   wonders for me. The only down side is
   that my blood pressure has elevated
   somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
   couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
   be really bad.

   Good luck!

    Jim

  "I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
  5 months ago.  I tapered off of the Paxil
  and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
  time."

    Jim

  "After several years on Effexor IR, my
  pdoc tried switching me to XR.  I
  experienced fairly severe Effexor
  withdrawel until I went back to the IR."

    Jim

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<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders specific to
you,
if you are also mentally ill). If we all come forward, we can help
each other with our problems. Remember, mental illness is nothing
to
be ashamed of. It's not your fault if you have a defective brain
which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or idiot and/or
robot without your being aware of it).

Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and have
been
added to this by mistake, so we can make our corrections and
remove
you from the crazy person list.

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