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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / February 2004How do I keep dog off furniture?
I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). Mia is a good and loyal, but whenever we leave the house she is up on the furniture in the good living room, rolling and tossing the $60 throw pillows all over the living room. We know this because we set up the video camera to catch who was doing this. We have tried everything there is to stop her from doing this. She spends more time on the furniture than we do and she is ruining it. We tried putting tin foil on it, that worked for about a week, then she tossed that aside, hopped up and went to town. We tried the expensive spray that they aren't supposed to like, well she just loved the stuff and was rubbing the side of the couch WHILE I was spraying it on!! Help, I love this dog, and won't even consider getting rid of her(even though it has been mentioned 100x), but she is ruining my favourite couch and love seat. Iwas finally able to afford to buy some nice furniture and the dog is making it look like crap! Not to mention that when anyone comes over they look like a hair ball when they go to leave. My house is open concept and we can't simply put up a baby gate, it can't be done and I don't want to seclude her in the spare room all by herself all day when Sandy is free to roam, does anyone have any other tricks that just may cure her of this destructive behavior??? Ang BTW, she knows this is bad, whenever we come home we can tell as soon as we open the door, she is quite sheepish and doesn't want to come to us. We never hit her, but she has been yelled at. > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we > call her and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the video camera to catch who was doing this. > We have tried everything there is to stop her from doing this. Since you have tried EVERYTHING, there is nothing left to suggest, right? I can't imagine how she got out of that crate you put her in while you were gone, just to get on the furniture though. Imagine that! Or unplugged the Skat Matt. Clever dog, that Mia. Ha! Ha! We had to crate her for chewing when she was a puppy. She was the most pathetic looking thing in there. It got so that she would hide when it can time for us to leave. When she stopped chewing (after 2) we swore we would NEVER put her in one of those cages again. What is a Skat Matt? I've never heard of that. So, I guess we haven't tried that yet. > > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we > > call her and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Or unplugged the Skat Matt. > Clever dog, that Mia. > Ha! Ha! > We had to crate her for chewing when she was a puppy. She was the most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What is a Skat Matt? I've never heard of that. So, I guess we haven't > tried that yet. It's got an electrical tingle. Its a blanket like thing you put on your couch when you are away. Available in most pet supply catalogs. And if you dont value your furniture so much that you don't crate your pet, I guess it's not an issue. If your pet hates a crate, apparently you used it too much. Used it incorrectly. I have dogs that don't have crates, and are jealous of the ones that do. The ones that do, have their crates to keep out the ones that don't while they eat. They know treats get dispensed to them there. They know that visiting brats are not allowed to molest them there They know they are off command there. i cAn't trim their toenails and such when they seek safe harbor there. When they do something nortti, they rush there, where they are immune till i get over it. Crates are a refuge and NO one is allowed to violate the safe zone. Like I said, my dogs that don't have them are jealous. Crates are a good place. > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her > and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > open the door, she is quite sheepish and doesn't want to come to us. We > never hit her, but she has been yelled at. Ok, you have tried everything, nothing worked. So then forget keeping her off the couch =). If I were you I wouldn't bother trying to teach her something that seems to be that hard for her to accept. Instead I think you will get less stressed if you just accept that she is going to lie on the couch when you are gone. Then you can start thinking of ways to protect the furniture. This is what I would do if I were you: Remove the throwpillows from the couch - put them in a chair or something. Get a big blanket to cover the couch with when the dogs are left alone. If necessary you can tie it in place to make it stick. This way you won't get hair, or drool or anything else all over the couch. When you get home you simply remove the cover, rearrange the pillows and your couch looks as good as new again =) The cover you use on the couch should be easy to wash, and why not get a nice pillowcase to stuff it into when it isn't being used? After a while "puppyproofing" will become second nature and you won't really have to think about it. Before I leave my dogs alone I close the door to the bedroom, put away the remotecontrols and check for chocolate lying around =) Rosa We've used those plastic floor runners w/the pokey things on the bottom. You can buy it at Walmart, cut to size and put the pokey side up. It worked for my dogs Nicole  Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her > and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > open the door, she is quite sheepish and doesn't want to come to us. We > never hit her, but she has been yelled at. > We've used those plastic floor runners w/the pokey things on the bottom. > You can buy it at Walmart, cut to size and put the pokey side up. It worked > for my dogs How about a baby gate placed in the appropriate doorway? Can the dogs be confined to a few rooms or even the kitchen with favorite toys, blankets and a radio on while you're away? -Sharon Baby gates won't work either, she will either jump it or scratch at the wall and yes she has knocked them down. Getting on this particular couch is an obsession with her, she will stop at nothing to get there. The old furniture in the basement she doesn't even look at, but the good expensive one upstairs....OH ya baby, that's the one she wants. It's getting to be like a big game with her..........what are they going to try this time to keep me off. > > We've used those plastic floor runners w/the pokey things on the bottom. > > You can buy it at Walmart, cut to size and put the pokey side up. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -Sharon throwcovers over slipcovers? double layering is good. makes the dog think they're dug in but really they're not. and it can all be put in the washer before company comes. or if it's too late, have slipcovers made and put them on before company comes. dogs are dogs. they're weird. > We've used those plastic floor runners w/the pokey things on the bottom. > You can buy it at Walmart, cut to size and put the pokey side up. It worked [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus > Help find the cure. www.lupus.org Nicole I've already tried that.It didn't work either. She pulled it off the couch. Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should talk to the vet about medicating her. I have a pitbull, labrador and bloodhound in the house. they've tried it all i use a crate also. best thing i ever bought. all the dogs love it. it's not punishment for them Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > > > We've used those plastic floor runners w/the pokey things on the bottom. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Nicole > I've already tried that.It didn't work either. She pulled it off the couch. > Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should > talk to the vet about medicating her. > I have a pitbull, labrador and bloodhound in the house. they've tried > it all > i use a crate also. best thing i ever bought. all the dogs love it. > it's not punishment for them I can't see her pulling a scat matt off. As for medicating, I just can't see people's obsessions for drugging their dogs. Puppy proof, by getting things out of harms way that the dog isn't to touch, or restrict the dog from the area entirely. But DON'T drug your dog! > > Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should > > talk to the vet about medicating her. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > touch, or restrict the dog from the area entirely. > But DON'T drug your dog! I can't understand why you should have to drug or crate a dog just because it wants to lie on a couch! Talk about overkill. Protecting the sofa would be the easiest solution for everyone. To you people who always recommend crates to everyone, it isn't even legal everywhere to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer periods of times. Rosa >> > Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should >> > talk to the vet about medicating her. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rosa Confining a dog to a crate may be cruel, it depends on the amount of time it's there. I for one, don't feel crate confinement is cruel if done on a periodic basis and not for long periods. Then, My beagles get crated everyday while they eat, or the Elkhounds would be fat, and the beagles would look like bacon strips. I just dont think that's cruel. When we go away (which is seldom) the beagles get crated (because they get in trouble when we are gone) or leave them outside. I'm reluctant to leave them outside for long, because we have coyotes in our area, and some of which have actually been in our yard. Beagles would make a nice lunch for them. The longest they have ever been crated is 6 hours. I think it's much kinder to them to crate them than to let them have free run and one beagle likes cords, Cd-Roms, and all kinds of weird things that would hurt him when he eats them. One Elkhound always accompanies me. The other is house trustworthy. Beagles are not, and crating them is kinder than what they will entertain themselves with otherwise. Crating is not illegal or mean. Why do my dogs love the crate if it's so horrible? Read about crating and then comment. Nicole Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > > > > Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Rosa > Crating is not illegal or mean. Why do my dogs love the crate if it's so > horrible? > Read about crating and then comment. > Nicole Maybe crating isn't illegal where YOU live, but wake up, there are other places where people live and keep dogs, sheesh. Your dogs are used to the crate and you give them food in it, why wouldn't they like it? If it is GOOD for a dog to be crated over 6h 5 days a week has nothing to do with how much the dog likes his/her crate. Rosa >> Crating is not illegal or mean. Why do my dogs love the crate if >> it's so horrible? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rosa You are making wild assumptions. Firstly, you don't know if it's illegal where this case is. Secondly, you have no clue how long this dog is being left alone. Being crated 6 continuous hours a month is not the same as being crated 6 continous hours every day. Get off your high horse. Besides, we were trying to provide OTHER options than just crates. > >> Crating is not illegal or mean. Why do my dogs love the crate if > >> it's so horrible? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Get off your high horse. > Besides, we were trying to provide OTHER options than just crates. This is what I wrote, I didn't make any assumptions about where the op is located. "Rosa Palmén" <rosa@no-s-p-am.locomail.com> wrote in news:AY8_b.312$Q34.142@reader1.news.jippii.net: To you people who always recommend crates to everyone, it isn't even legal everywhere to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer periods of times. Rosa then explain why they go in there when there's no food and the doors open. you have no clue but you've made that quite clear to everyone here > You are making wild assumptions. > Firstly, you don't know if it's illegal where this case is. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Get off your high horse. > Besides, we were trying to provide OTHER options than just crates. Correct. Dog's are den animals. It would be unnatural not to let them have a den setting. Some homes provide this for dogs with smaller rooms or areas gated off for them. Other dogs really like their dens, or crates. They NEED to have a place to go to that is all theirs. Our dogs were crate trained for the first 3 years of their lives. The doors were closed when we went out and at night at first. Then gradually they were allowed to expand their safe area to the point where we never closed the door, yet they searched out that comforting crate, or den, when they needed to on their own. They learned what furniture to stay away from through positive reinforcement and reward, not punishment. Now at 4 & 12, they don't have crates at home, but when they go to our practice with us, they actually search out a kennel to curl up in or a cozy desk area that feels like a den to them. Crating is not for everyone, but should not be counted out for everyone either. I hate to see judgements made like the previous post based on something assumed from a NG post. -Sharon >> You are making wild assumptions. >> Firstly, you don't know if it's illegal where this case is. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > -Sharon You are right about them being den animals. I took away my puppies crate when she proved houseworthy. She felt neglected because the beagles have a crate, and she does not. When a rescue dog comes in the house for training, and a new crate is set up, she tries to assume residency. In the meantime, she just sleeps (voluntarily) in the bathtub. Makes a nice quiet protected dark den for her, and the other dogs don't want it! Perhaps the poster wasn't actually being as irrationally hysterical as it seemed, because it's rather hard to interpret written word over the internet. But being crated is not the worst thing in the world. > >> You are making wild assumptions. > >> Firstly, you don't know if it's illegal where this case is. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > internet. > But being crated is not the worst thing in the world. The problem is that you didn't read what I actually wrote, you read something else between the lines. You said crating was bad. Obviosly you need to study dog behavior a little. No one needed to read between the lines. I agree w/diddy, step down. Nicole Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > > > >> You are making wild assumptions. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > The problem is that you didn't read what I actually wrote, you read > something else between the lines. > You said crating was bad. Obviosly you need to study dog behavior a little. > No one needed to read between the lines. I agree w/diddy, step down. > > Nicole Where did I state that crating was bad? >> You said crating was bad. Obviosly you need to study dog behavior a > little. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Where did I state that crating was bad? Rosa, Through writing, it came off as if you were hysterically opposed to crating. You have since clarified yourself. I suspect people are still reacting to your seemingly vehemence to your original post. > >> You said crating was bad. Obviosly you need to study dog behavior a > > little. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > crating. You have since clarified yourself. I suspect people are still > reacting to your seemingly vehemence to your original post. I'm sorry if I seemed hysterical or totally against crating, it wasn't my intention. It just irritated me a little bit too much when Nicole said crating wasn't illegal or mean. It's true that in most countries it probably isn't, and in most cases it isn't mean. I think crating is fine when it comes to crate_training_, or if you really can't trust the dog not to hurt itself or rip the house apart. I just don't think that things like shedding on the couch counts as destructive behaviour, and I also think you should always be careful about suggesting crating when you don't know what kind of periods of time the dog will be left alone. I might have misunderstood the sizes of the crates people keep their dogs in, but if they're about the same sizes as the ones recommended for crate training then in my opinion they are too small to keep dogs locked in for longer periods of time on a regular basis. This is of course just my opinion, and opinions vary =) Rosa >> >> You said crating was bad. Obviosly you need to study dog behavior >> >> a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Rosa Well, Your opinion happens to match mine. also a crate that I do feed my small beagles in, is a LARGE breed crate. NOT the tiny crates that I housebroke them with. When housebreaki8ng a dog, you dont want a crate any bigger than the dog fits comfortably. >Subject: Re: How do I keep dog off furniture? >From: "Rosa Palmén" rosa@no-s-p-am.locomail.com [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >everywhere to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer periods >of times. My two dogs each have a crate which contains their blankets and toys. The crate doors are left open, and usually that is where they head to nap or relax. They perceive their crates as their sanctuary, not as some type of punishment. If I have to go out for several hours and cannot find someone to walk them, I'll close the crate door while I'm gone. There is no anxiety when I do this because they feel at home and safe. When I return and open the door, they sometimes remain in the crate until such time as they feel like exiting. I think you have a misperception on crating. >>Subject: Re: How do I keep dog off furniture? >>From: "Rosa Palmén" rosa@no-s-p-am.locomail.com [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > crate until such time as they feel like exiting. I think you have a > misperception on crating. Either she does, or she's off her rocker. > >Subject: Re: How do I keep dog off furniture? > >From: "Rosa Palmén" rosa@no-s-p-am.locomail.com [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > remain in the crate until such time as they feel like exiting. I think you have > a misperception on crating. Crating can be practical and no problem, but the fact is some people do leave their dogs in the crates for many hours everyday. So suggesting crating without even asking how long the dog is usually left alone, is not a good idea in my opinion. Rosa > To you people who always recommend crates to everyone, it isn't even legal > everywhere to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer periods > of times. > > Rosa Hi Rosa, Could you tell me where it is illegal "to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer periods of times"? Does this apply to homeowners or labs or ? I ask because I try to keep up with laws concerning care of dogs. I know in some states the requirements are (unfortunately) very minimal and the enforcement is often totally lacking. Thank you, Margaret > > To you people who always recommend crates to everyone, it isn't even legal > > everywhere to keep dogs confined in crates regularly and for longer [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thank you, > Margaret I live in Finland, and here keeping a dog in a crate is allowed only for transportation, if there is a medical reason or for some other temporary just cause. At the moment I can't remember where I found the info on how big an area a dog should be kept in indoors, but I beleive that the crate I use for my dog that is 65 cm high and weighs 24kg would be enough for one or possibly two dogs of under 5 kg. I might not remember quite correctly though. Rosa > > > To you people who always recommend crates to everyone, it isn't even > legal [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Rosa Actually the crate I have would be too small for even one small dog. Minimum is 2 square meters. Height shuold be length of dog times two. > I live in Finland, and here keeping a dog in a crate is allowed only for > transportation, if there is a medical reason or for some other temporary > just cause. > > Rosa Hi Rosa, Thank you for the information. In the United States, laws for pet owners generally require only that the (outdoor) dog have food, water, and shelter. (and as I said, there is no one who goes around checking on things like this) I don't know what the requirements are for size of cages for animals kept in research labs or even veterinary kennels. Again in the US we often use and recommend crates for travel and to help with house training and to prevent destruction when owners are away. I agree crates should not be over-used and they should not be used as punishment. As several have pointed out, dogs often use their crates on their own because that's where their bed is or where they eat, etc. Margaret Like medicating is the worst that could happen right? If the dog is neurotic as the OP says, the dog would benefit... or maybe the owner should be medicated for being neurotic Meds aren't always a bad thing Nicole Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > > > Weigh it down then. If the dog is that neurotic, maybe you should [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > touch, or restrict the dog from the area entirely. > But DON'T drug your dog! > Like medicating is the worst that could happen right? If the dog is > neurotic as the OP says, the dog would benefit... or maybe the owner should > be medicated for being neurotic > Meds aren't always a bad thing > Nicole Wanting to lie on a sofa is neurotic? I know a lot of neurotic people then. Good for you! Kick rocks Signature3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org > > > Like medicating is the worst that could happen right? If the dog is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Wanting to lie on a sofa is neurotic? > I know a lot of neurotic people then. There is a simple solution. Get a doghouse and move the dog outdoors. Was that so hard to figure out? >I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her >and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). > >Mia is a good and loyal, but whenever we leave the house she is up on the >furniture in the good living room, rolling and tossing the $60 throw pillows >all over the living room. We know this because we set up the video camera to How about getting one of those clear plastic runner mats with the little 'gripper teeth' sticking out of the underside? Place it along the sofa with the little 'pokers' facing up, and I don't think it'll be too comfy for them.... Supposed to work with cats who urinate on owner's beds. JP > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her > and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > open the door, she is quite sheepish and doesn't want to come to us. We > never hit her, but she has been yelled at. -- "Sorry for the inconvenience, but I've inserted a spam-filter in my email address. When you hit 'reply' to email me, you must "Take out the TRASH...." or your will bounce back to you..." > I have 2 house dogs, a 11 yr.old terrier cross(good girl Sandy) we call her > and then we have the 8yr. old yellow lab cross.(the bad one, Mia). [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > aren't supposed to like, well she just loved the stuff and was rubbing the > side of the couch WHILE I was spraying it on!! You didn't mention covering the furniture with blankets or slip covers. Have you tried this? > Help, I love this dog, and won't even consider getting rid of her(even > though it has been mentioned 100x), but she is ruining my favourite couch > and love seat. Iwas finally able to afford to buy some nice furniture and > the dog is making it look like crap! Not to mention that when anyone comes > over they look like a hair ball when they go to leave. > My house is open > concept and we can't simply put up a baby gate, it can't be done and I don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > open the door, she is quite sheepish and doesn't want to come to us. We > never hit her, but she has been yelled at. |
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