Mystery Ailment in a Great Dane
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Suja - 27 Feb 2004 03:48 GMT This has been going on for quite some time, and it looks like the vets are shooting in the dark now. Started around the end of November, with the dog not eating well, and having "knots" in his rear legs. He was also making occasional gagging/coughing noises. Vet found swollen lymph nodes in the legs, 104 temp, and congestion, gave antibiotics (shot and oral). A week later, no change in temp, he's eating less well, congestion is better, but the veins in his back legs were swollen. Since blood work came back normal, he took lymph tissue for biopsy. While cutting, vet discovered that the swollen area was full of blood - no pus - kind of like hematoma of the leg. Vet said it reminds him of phlebitis. Another week later, he is eating better, but not back to normal. Temp is mostly normal with occasional spikes, appetite is almost normal, but veins remail swollen. Another week later, blood/fluid culture is normal, temp is back up to 103, veins are still swollen. Appetite is much worse.
Next report is a month later, and after having got to the point where the dog was eating only a cup of food a day, he is starting to eat more, and temp is back to normal. Another vet had diagnosed him with pneumonia, and a tick panel turned up Ehrlichiosis. Liver, kidney functions are fine, and autoimmune tests came back negative. But, lymph nodes around the dog's heart are very, very enlarged. Vet thinks possibly fungal infection (negative fungal tests), unusual bacteria called nocardia or cancer. Sent home with Doxy and Baytril. Chest X-Ray 2 weeks later showed no change in the lymph nodes, so the vet did a transtracheal wash. The wash showed nothing. While he was under, vet checked him out, found a mass in his mouth and nasal cavity. Biopsy came back negative. Although he is eating, playing and gaining a little weight, his legs are starting to bother him. He shifts his weight constantly if he has to stand for any length of time.
This is all the information we have as of yesterday. Any ideas on what this could be, or if there is something, anything we should check for? The vet is considering steroid therapy as a means of getting the swelling in his legs down.
Suja
buglady - 27 Feb 2004 15:24 GMT > the dog not eating well, and having "knots" in his rear legs. He was > also making occasional gagging/coughing noises. Vet found swollen lymph > nodes in the legs, 104 temp, and congestion, Another vet had diagnosed him with
> pneumonia, and a tick panel turned up Ehrlichiosis. Liver, kidney > functions are fine, and autoimmune tests came back negative. But, lymph > nodes around the dog's heart are very, very enlarged .........So there were no abnormal values in the bloodwork? WBC wasn't elevated? Eosinophils weren't elevated? No anemia? Eyes are normal? Liver and spleen appear normal (X-ray or ultrasound)? Are his nails normal? Dog is heartworm negative? Is the dog still on Doxy? How old is this dog?
Ehrlichiosis: http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&PID=2595
Swollen Lymph Nodes: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1614&articleid=319
Lymph nodes in the lung/heart area are in the mediastinum. Radiology of The Mediastinum http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&PID=PR02605 Mediastinal lymphadenopathy is one of the most common causes of a mediastinal mass, usually involving the cranial mediastinal, tracheobronchial and/or sternal lymph nodes. It is an extension of a disease process from the lung, heart, spine, oesophagus, sternum or chest wall, as a local manifestation of a generalized disease (e.g., lymphosarcoma) or as a congenital anomaly (e.g., branchial cyst).
I don't know that this is particularly relevant, but apparently Ehrlichiosis can cause all sorts of havoc.
J Small Anim Pract. 2003 Sep;44(9):408-10. Portal vein and aortic thromboses in a Siberian husky with ehrlichiosis and hypothyroidism. Bressler C, Himes LC, Moreau RE. Beach Animal Hospital, 208 River Avenue, Point Pleasant Beach, New Jersey 08742, USA. A six-year-old, neutered male Siberian husky was presented for euthanasia for end-stage liver disease. Examination of the dog raised questions regarding the severity of the condition. It had presented to the referring veterinarian with polyuria, polydipsia and weight loss. Blood tests at that time revealed elevated liver enzymes and hypoalbuminaemia. Cirrhosis was presumptively diagnosed, based on an ultrasound examination, which showed ascites with a normal liver. The dog had a history of hypothyroidism, which was controlled with levothyroxine. Physical examination revealed cachexia. A second abdominal ultrasound examination was performed and revealed portal vein and aortic thromboses. Tick titres showed a positive Ehrlichia canis titre of 1:640. Skin biopsies showed lymphoplasmacytic vasculitis. Doxycycline and aspirin treatment was initiated, and the clinical signs resolved. The authors concluded that the thrombi were primarily caused by chronic ehrlichiosis, based on the clinical findings and the response to treatment. PMID: 14510331 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Vet Pathol. 1981 Jan;18(1):48-61. Acute experimental canine ehrlichiosis. I. Sequential reaction of the hemic and lymphoreticular systems. Reardon MJ, Pierce KR. Dogs with acute Ehrlichia canis infection showed the established clinical features of acute ehrlichiosis and had thrombocytopenia, anemia, increased serum glutamic pyruvic transaminase activity, and decreased total serum protein and albumin concentrations during the first weeks after infection, and increasing gamma globulin concentrations after the third week. Gross lesions in hemic and lymphoreticular tissues were transient lymphadenomegaly, splenomegaly, and increased red long-bone marrow. Lymphoreticular hyperplasia in the paracortical area of lymph nodes and in the splenic red pulp occurred during the second week of infection. Later, small lymphocytes were replaced by medium-sized lymphocytes and plasma cells. Activity of germinal centers increased initially, as shown by numerous mitotic figures and macrophages, but diminished later, and the follicles blended with interfollicular and paracortical tissue because of a decrease in small lymphocytes in the mantle layer. We saw splenic hemorrhages near the perifollicular sinus, and vasculitis, most often phlebitis, in the kidney between weeks 2 and 4. Multifocal reticuloendothelial hyperplasia occurred in the liver during the early stage and injured adjacent hepatocytes by compression. Lesions typical of ehrlichiosis in these dogs were interstitial pneumonia, subendothelial aggregates of mononuclear cells in pulmonary blood vessels, renal periglomerular and perivenular plasmacytosis, hemopoietic hyperplasia, and perivascular cuffs of lymphocytes and plasma cells in many organs.
PMID: 7467072 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
.....Doesn't really totally fit the picture, but worth mentioning: Visceral Leishmaniasis http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/Leishtryp/leishdog.html
CHRONIC INTERSTITIAL PNEUMONITIS IN DOGS NATURALLY INFECTED WITH Leishmania(Leishmania) chagasi: A HISTOPATHOLOGICAL AND MORPHOMETRIC STUDYRicardo GONÇALVES(1), Washington Luiz TAFURI(4), Maria Norma de MELO(3), Pedro RASO(4) & Wagner Luiz TAFURI(2) Rev. Inst. Med trop. S. Paolo 45(3) 153-158 May-June 2003 http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rimtsp/v45n3/16165.pdf.
Blastomycosis: http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/mordecai/
And of course, there's always the possibility of lymphoma.
Were the biopsy tissues sent to a lab? Lymph Node Cytology: http://www.vet.ohio-state.edu/docs/VBS710/lymph/lymph.html
IVIS, as always is a good source of information: http://www.ivis.org/special_books/carter/carter3/chapter_frm.asp
Best of luck, please post back if they figure out what is going on.
buglady take out the dog before replying
Suja - 27 Feb 2004 17:52 GMT > .........So there were no abnormal values in the bloodwork? That's what his mom said. I was a little surprised when she said that there was no change to the platelet count either. From what reading I've done, it seemed like that should've been affected if this were caused by the Ehrlichia.
As for your other questions, all the imaging they've done have been X-rays. I don't know about the nails and eyes, but he is HW-. He's still on Doxy and Baytril, have another week left on them, IIRC. He is an older dog. They have run the geriatric panel, and all values there were normal also.
Thanks for all the information, buglady. I'll pass it along to his mom, and see if she can find relevant there. I'll definitely let you know if I hear anything else.
Suja
Suja - 28 Feb 2004 03:17 GMT Got some answers to your questions.
> .........So there were no abnormal values in the bloodwork? All within normal range.
> WBC wasn't elevated? No.
> Eosinophils weren't elevated? Doesn't know. Is this included in a SuperCBC?
> No anemia? No.
> Eyes are normal? Were really runny, but back to normal after 2 weeks of Baytril.
> Liver and spleen appear normal (X-ray or ultrasound)? Yes, via X-rays and bloodwork.
> Are his nails normal? Yes.
> Dog is heartworm negative? Yes.
> Is the dog still on Doxy? Yes, has been on it for 3 weeks.
> How old is this dog? 3 in March. For some reason, I thought that he turns 5.
Oh, and the biopsy tissues were sent to a lab. Blood and tissues from his swollen legs, tissues from mass in his nose and expelled fluid from the transtrachael was. No abnormalities. I can find out what exactly the path report says if that'll help.
Suja
buglady - 28 Feb 2004 13:01 GMT > > Eosinophils weren't elevated? > > Doesn't know. Is this included in a SuperCBC? ........should be, they're a WBC. High level of eosinophils can indicate some kind of parasitism, among other things, though I don't know offhand if this value goes up for fungal infections.
> > Eyes are normal? > > Were really runny, but back to normal after 2 weeks of Baytril. ......Hmmmmm, both tick diseases and Leishmaniasis can affect the eyes.
> Oh, and the biopsy tissues were sent to a lab. Blood and tissues from > his swollen legs, tissues from mass in his nose and expelled fluid from > the transtrachael was. No abnormalities. I can find out what exactly > the path report says if that'll help. .....Yes, pathologists usually describe what they see (as Hillary said), even if it is normal tissue. For some of the fungal stuff I think I read that they sometimes culture tissues or fluid also. A negative tracheal wash doesn't necessarily mean anything - sometimes the fungal problems are very hard to diagnose. I think I'd be tempted to repeat the tick panel to see if the values have changed. There's no chance this dog was injured and the owners didn't know it is there? Did they go out of town or anything else unusual happen just before onset of problems? It may be time for a referral. I'd also suggest your friend take a look at this site and perhaps join the Tick list and ask if any of these symptoms ring bells with anyone. I think there's also vets on this list who are very familiar with tick diseases. Not every vet has treated many dogs for tick diseaes: http://nowhereelse.homestead.com/canine_tick_disease.html buglady take out the dog before replying
Hillary Israeli - 27 Feb 2004 21:39 GMT *Since blood work came back normal, he took lymph tissue for biopsy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what does the pathologist's report say?
*checked him out, found a mass in his mouth and nasal cavity. Biopsy *came back negative. Although he is eating, playing and gaining a little
"negative" is not something a pathologist's report generally says except perhaps as an add-on sentence at the end. What specifically were the findings? My thinking is that "no evidence of disease x is present in the submitted tissue" is not the same as "these findings are not consistent with disease x at all." You know what I mean?
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Suja - 28 Feb 2004 03:11 GMT > what does the pathologist's report say? I don't know the exact language. But, it indicates no malignancy.
Suja
Hillary Israeli - 29 Feb 2004 20:19 GMT *Hillary Israeli wrote: *> what does the pathologist's report say? * *I don't know the exact language. But, it indicates no malignancy.
I understood that. But my question is how certain the pathologist is that there is no underlying malignancy. I mean, I have read path reports that say "the submitted sample contains only adipocytes. Diagnosis: fat," meaning obviously the submitted sample was just fat; then there are reports that say "multiple sections of submitted tissue reveal a darkly staining lymphoid cell population with a high nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio, many multinuclear cells, coarse chromatin, and increased mitotic figures," leaving little doubt that there is in fact a malignancy present.
My concern in this case is that the path report may have read something like "no definitive evidence of malignancy is seen in these slides, but consider rebiopsy if clinical signs persist," or something... meaning perhaps the pathologist wasn't 100% convinced. You see what I'm getting at? I was just wondering because the case certainly sounds suspicious...
-- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net info@hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)
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